From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #437 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 29 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 437 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD Dojang Re: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD Dojang the_dojang: HKD and TKD in the same dojang the_dojang: HKD and TKD in the same dojang the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD dojangs the_dojang: Re: GTI Taekwon-Do the_dojang: Re: GTI Tae Kwon DO the_dojang: Korea's Joint Olympic March Approved the_dojang: Juche the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:14:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD Dojang We teach Hapkido and Taekwondo as separate arts. We have students that do one or both. We consider ourselves to be both a TKD and a HKD dojang. It seems to work out, but we have far more TKD students than HKD students. We figure that this is because HKD is rare here and not many people know what it is, whereas, everyone knows what TKD is. At our bon kwon we also teach tang soo do. I guess it really depends on what class is being offered as to what kind of school the dojang would be. frank ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:57:31 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD Dojang > is, whereas, everyone knows what TKD is. At our bon kwon we also teach tang > soo do. Sorry... What is a bon kwon? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:42:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: HKD and TKD in the same dojang Ray asked: > > Who among you study/teach/operate a dojang that teaches both Hapkido and > Taekwondo? (or HKD and Tang Soo Do or HKD and Soo Bahk Do or ???) > > Do you consider yourself a HKD school that also does TKD on the side, or > a TKD school that does HKD on the side? > > How do you think it is working out? > In my school, the two arts have always been equal, in classtime if not in numbers. The TKD class has practically always been bigger. I enjoy teaching both, and it works out fine. Or you could say that both are 'on the side' since I have a full time job that does better at paying bills than teaching m.a. does. As a martial artist, however, I consider myself more of a HKDist than a TKDist, because of philosophical issues and about 4 more years training. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:13:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: HKD and TKD in the same dojang Although I do not teach HKD, I do teach Jujitsu as an addition to TKD. A student starts out learning basic TKD (we do both the chang-hun and taeguek series). They begin to cross train when learning self defense(grabs) and one-steps(strikes). Each sd and os has 3 levels, A,B,C. A is the most simple release/block & escape. B is the release/block, counter, escape. C is the release/block, counter, finishing strike/throw/hold, and escape. A student learns to combine TKD and JJ and transition between the two. There are days when we will work on only throwing, and days where we only do kicking. It all depends on how I feel my bones will react to impact that day :-) Sparring starts off non-contact ITF style, progresses to open tournament style(light to full contact), WTF rules, MMA style and finally an almost anything goes format in scenarios, where the TKD and JJ skills are equally important. I teach a system from a TKD base, so I consider it a TKD school that teaches JJ. So far, I have produced students who are well rounded, and feel confident that their skills are useable in real situations...I have been teaching this type of format for the last decade or so....and I feel that it is working. Mark Gajdostik Oregon Fighting Arts ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:51:53 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD dojangs My school teaches both taekwondo and hapkido. Right now, the way we run our school is a taekwondo school that also teaches hapkido. The biggest reason for this is that I have been studying taekwondo for twenty years (this school has only been around for twelve) and studying hapkido for only two years. As my rank and experience increase, I envision it being a relatively equal mix with me focusing a lot on the hapkido side while our many taekwondo black belts handle more of that side. I think it works out very well for us to do both. We have taekwondo for the kids and for adults who are looking for some relatively serious "traditional" martial arts training. Before I'm flamed to a crisp, by "traditional" in this context I only mean that we do not emphasize tournament competition (or even encourage it). But we also offer hapkido for those who are looking for a little more complete style. >Who among you study/teach/operate a dojang that teaches both >Hapkido and Taekwondo? (or HKD and Tang Soo Do or HKD and Soo Bahk >Do or ???) > >Do you consider yourself a HKD school that also does TKD on the >side, or a TKD school that does HKD on the side? > >How do you think it is working out? > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com In a somewhat related post, someone recently asked about the taekwondo students who joined his hapkido school. He commented that their kicks did not look very aesthetic or effective. I can only say that in our school, the reverse seems to be true for aesthetics. I have gotten several comments on my TKD kicking in HKD class. However, I must say that while they may not be quite as pretty, the HKD guys can be devastating with their kicks. I think it must just be the difference from one school to another. IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:36:42 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: GTI Taekwon-Do > Does anyone know where I could find out more information about GTI and how > it differs from the other sort of TKD? Hi Kate, I don`t know of any website of the GTI. From what I know, the GTI is an ITF styled group that branched out of the TAGB after they severed their relationship with GM Hee Il Cho. GM Cho was the grading examiner for the TAGB for a couple of years and around 1993 the TAGB leaders decided to start black belt gradings using a panel of British examiners, instead of inviting GM Cho from the States. I`m sure this was not the only reason, but some of the TAGB instructors decided to stay under GM Cho and formed the Global Taekwon-do International (GTI). The organisation has grown since then, but I can`t tell you too much about its present state. There are no GTI schools in my country and all I saw are the articles and advertorials in British martial arts magazines. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Bryan D. Payne" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:43:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: GTI Tae Kwon DO I'm assuming that you are really refering to GTF TKD (Global Taekwon-Do Federation). GTF is most similar to ITF in that it uses the same basic patterns throughout the ranks. A good place to get some general information on the GTF is at http://rescomp.wustl.edu/~tkwondo/ which is a GTF club site that I used to maintain. Browsing around you should find a history of the GTF and a lot of links to other information sites. If you have more specific questions feel free to post here and I'll do my best to answer or direct you to the answer ;-) Bryan Payne ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Korea's Joint Olympic March Approved http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_809000/809574.stm Koreas' joint Olympic march approved Olympic officials have given their backing to a proposal for the teams from North and South Korea to march together at the opening ceremony of this year's games. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:37:33 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Juche Just a portion of a profile on NK's leader KIM Jong-il and Juche (referring back to an old thread). ... New cult emerging Within North Korea it's a different story. Kim Jong-il is regularly hailed by the media as the "peerless leader" and "the great successor to the revolutionary cause". On the intellectual front, he's credited with having extended Kim Il-sung's personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which has been the guiding light for North Korea's development. His other feats include writing six operas in two years, and personally designing the huge Juche tower in Pyongyang. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:11:56 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #437 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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