From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #438 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 30 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 438 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: bon kwan the_dojang: folks on home.com the_dojang: Low Blood Sugar the_dojang: Re: Students, Money and the school the_dojang: Re: Tempe trip the_dojang: Re:tkd to hdk the_dojang: Prices the_dojang: TKD kicks the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:40:00 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Low Blood Sugar I have similar experience before. What I do now is carry a big bottle of fresh orange juice and a bunch of bananas in addition to my water bottles. Try to take a sip of the orange juice or a bite of the banana whenever you have the chance. I do not know why but I felt that the bananas worked better for me than the snack bars. - -- Regards, S. H. WEE Email : shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:53:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Students, Money and the school We have many different ways to get students, and if your doors are still open after a year or two, then you are at least partially successful. But the idea of a free intro class has to be considered in the light of what are you selling. I went to a good university, and not once did they offer me a free class. My children take gymnastics and music lessons, and dang if I didn't pay for the first lesson. But then, I took them to people with a track record and reputation. Let's raise our sights to put our businesses in a class with respected businesses in the community, where we think we should be. Sales tactics that mimic those of the lower forms of business life mark us. The shyster attorney always gives away that first consultation. It may take a little longer to develop your student base, but if your program is sound, and you really are cut out to be an instructor, stand on the high ground. ------------------------------ From: Daremo and Kitsune Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:10:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tempe trip This is a call for anyone out in the Tempe, AZ area that might have a place that would let me workout with them during a visit. I'm headed that way on business and will have most of Sunday 7/9 and Monday evening 7/10 to workout. I'm interested in seeing new things. Please let me know if you have any ideas. Young Eun 4th Dan Song Moo Kwan 4th Dan AAU TKD 2nd Dan Kukkiwon 2nd Dan Seidokan Aikido ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:45:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:tkd to hdk Brian, In sport oriented TKD schools kicks have been morphed into techniques that are focused on speed and power along small vectors. While the kicks are powerful, they are only so along certain paths. If they hit, they can be devastating, but their nature makes it appear to be "lazy" or "limited" in body parts engaged to some stylists. As you mentioned, the hip seems not to be engaged (or follewed through on).. while that will make for better penetration, and more weight transference into the kick, it will also slow you down.. both on the launch of the kick, its ultimate speed, and the recovery time. In a Muy thai or kickboxing match.. those types of kicks (hip engaged) are common and necessary (if your hands are weak) and sport TKD's are of limited value.. they just don't do much when someone steps into it (jamming) and begins to play knuckle xylophone (sp?) on your teeth. My advise to you would be to play the machine gun round house game with one of the better guys to see just how much faster they can be.. the game is as follows. (both face of with each other in close stances (left legs lead) and begin to throw rear rigtht leg Round kicks at each other as fast as you can.. bringing back the right leg to its original position. All things being equal his rate of kicking should be faster than yours. another varient of this game is to play a reaction game.. not making contact with each other,square off in closed stance and take turns throwing round kicks at each other. with second person only kicking after the first moves.. (a reaction game).. you will notice as this excercise progresses.. that the TKD guy will be (generally.. all things being equal) waiting for you to reset.. The reason for this is that without the hip rolling over.. the kick is faster up..out and back.. BUT.. the kick will kind of be on a 45 degree slant up angle (if the guy is okay :)) penetration on the kick is limited along the horizontal part of the oppents body (which limits fun things like the likelyhood of broken ribs) but allow a greater ability to move and counter attack.. if the 45 degree vector meets up with something (like a jaw).. the affects can be devastating.. I find that both types of kicks can be usefull but distinctions must be made as to when and how they are used.. quick 45 round kick are useless on knees but great on head shots that present themselves.. I hope this helps Steve Stone ------------------------------ From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.C.?=" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Prices Last year I finally had the money and the time to do something I had always wanted to try, martial arts. I narrowed it down to karate and taekwon-do (I didn't even know that there were different styles) and looked for what was around my house. The first taekwon-do school wouldn't answer any of my questions but kept telling me to make an appointment and come in. When I got there, I disliked the instructor immediately (first impressions, nothing concrete). There was no introductory offer, it would be $70.00 (don't freak out, that's Canadian, so about $45.00 US) for a month plus $80.00 for the uniform, plus GST. That would be about $170.00 (taxes) for a month of something I wasn't even sure I would like. After that, I would sign up for a year. One payment would be $700.00, two payments would bring it up to $800.00 and so forth. The next school I went to I liked. The instructor/owner took the time to explain everything over the phone (prices) and invited me in to watch or participate in a class. I went in and instantly liked him. He answered everything, told me that the introductory rate was $80.00 for two months plus a free uniform. There was no increasing scale if you couldn't pay the yearly fee in one shot, who can? He let me pay it in four installments and there was no penalty. If money is a problem, he will work something out for you, he wants training to be your focus, not how you are going to get the money. I've been at it straight for nine months (ITF) and I am an addict. People come and go, some stay, some leave and the school isn't really out anything, maybe that person will tell a friend. There are a lot of schools in the area who will not allow a person to participate or even watch a class until they have paid some sort of fee. As well, most of them have some sort of $20.00 for a class, or two half-hour private classes and one group class and then you are expected to fork over major bucks. I don't agree with that. That's a lot to ask for something that someone might not even like, it's not good for the student or the school. Sorry, that's my rant. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.C.?=" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: TKD kicks My guess as to the unimpressive kicks, the student or the school. There are some students that I love to watch at the dojang I go to, their technique is beautiful. There are some women with ballet backgrounds who make everything they do pretty. There are others that aren't so good. I'm a clumsy person and know that there is no beauty in anything physical that I do. I don't care though. As well, it could be the school/instruction. From time to time, a new student joins our dojang and finds it completely different from the school they trained at, either for discipline reasons or technique. We work on both technique and will spend classes doing only one kick over and over again until it is perfect, and then there are other classes where the kicks get a little sloppy because they are for sparring purposes. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 6:05:56 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #438 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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