From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #441 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 2 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 441 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: NEWS-Taekwondo Star forfeits dream the_dojang: Re: Re: zone stuff=diet days the_dojang: Re: Breaking Requirements the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo/Hapkido the_dojang: Happy dayz ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Segovia Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: NEWS-Taekwondo Star forfeits dream This is a wonderful story and Ms. Kim must be a beautiful, giving human being. My congratulations to her, and I hope things are better for her in four years. That said, this is a little disconcerting. I guess if Ms. Poe is injured worse than originally thought and has to bow out before the Olympics, then Ms. Kim will go in her stead, but what happens if Ms. Poe performs poorly at the Olympics because of the effects of the injury? Who's to say Ms. Kim might've upset a healthy Ms. Poe that day? Do we earn our rewards merely by being considered good enough, not by actually performing? I just can't imagine Michael Jordan or Joe Montana forfeiting an NBA championship or a Super Bowl because a respected opponent was injured. Jesse Alain Burrese wrote: > > Forfeiting dream made Kim 'feel like champion' ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Re: zone stuff=diet days A story in control: So, me and the wife head off for PA., to pick up some parts for the 57 Chevy. A two hour jaunt. We stop off at a truck stop on route 78. The Mrs. picks up a few food items but only allows me a few nibbles on the freeze dried granola. She smirkes, "Your on an Atkins Diet...no Carbos..." I make the deal with the Chevy parts man--an ex-marine. He tells me to visit Libby's restaurant down the street. I order salmon and vegetables. I finish and she is still eating. She says, "You can have some of my fried fish sticks but peel off the skin." We head home. The kid has a box of McDonald's french fries and I reach for them. My wife bellows "Not good...your on the Atkins Diet." I put them back in the box. Man, I am gonna hit this Atkins guy. (To make this martial arts related...I go in the basement and hit the heavy bag). McD... - --- JBoorstein@aol.com wrote: > Actually there are a couple of books advocating a caveman diet. Don't > remember the titles or authors, alas. I might suggest extreme skepticism > when > approaching any of these diets. > > JB > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:35:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Breaking Requirements Can I ask any instructor out there what breaking techniques (and for what belt)they require for children, the ages and how many boards? Thank you. ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 13:47:44 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taekwondo/Hapkido Hi everyone, Haven't been posting much lately, so I figured this would be a good place to jump back in. I'd just like to add my two cents on the TKD/HKD subject. Being a WTF stylist since the late 70's, and going through the whole Olympic sparring syndrome, I felt myself, over the last ten years, becoming more and more infatuated with Hapkido. Not wanting to abandon TKD (as my two kids and myself still love Olympic sparring), I decided that I was going to teach a balanced combination of the two regardless of any consequences. (And there were consequences) :-( If I had to break it down, my curriculum would best be described as a combination of Hoshinsul/Hapkido, WTF TKD sparring concepts, basic boxing techniques, and practical weapons training. When devising this curriculum I had to decide what I wanted as far as TKD & HKD. I decided that I would strip TKD down to the basics and add the whole HKD curriculum. Now before you TKD'ers GASP & call me a traitor too loudly, this isn't as bad as it sounds. As you well know, the core elements of present day WTF TKD are (Olympic) sparring, poomse, breaking, and one steps. I managed to keep all these elements by: de-emphasizing the forms (quantity, not quality), really emphasizing the sparring aspect, and replacing the TKD one-steps with HKD one-steps. (Basic TKD one-steps are still taught to beginners) Adding the other elements that are generally not included in TKD such as falling, sweeps, throws, locks, etc fit in quite well with the above as there were very few conflicts. One problem that I had when developing the curriculum, was how to add the HKD techniques without making it too demanding for the students. One solution was to cut down on the number of forms. Coming from a background where 2-3 forms per belt was the norm, I cut back to one TaeGeuk form per belt. I first had some difficulty with this as I truly love forms, but I felt that it was necessary. Having only one form to learn as opposed to 3 allowed for more time to work on HKD/Hoshinsul or sparring concepts. Any forms not covered at Gup rank (PalGues, Pyongs) are taught at the Dan rank. Much like Piotr's previous post on the subject, I keep an open mind with respect to outside training and encourage participation in open tournaments, seminars, etc. As a matter of fact, Piotr's post has a lot in common with what I am doing, and his views reflect my views in many ways. These two arts compliment each other so well that I don't distinguish between the two. (Radical thought: I'd love to see a HKD/TKD merger of some sort, or a radical overhaul to Kukkiwon requirements. Keep the Olympic sparring concepts...but add a good HKD curriculum) I would really like to add, that it really helps to have two Instructors who understand, and approve, of what you are trying to accomplish. I know firsthand what it feels like to be chastised for mentioning the thought of any outside training, or having one of your students capture 1st place at a prestigious local 'open' tournament & then getting a public lecture on allowing this "atrocity". To have not one, but two, instructors who freely allow outside training is a blessing. My TKD & HKD Masters, BOTH know that my core art is and always will be TKD, and that I want to teach a combo of TKD & HKD. They understand, and have confidence in my abilities to make this work, and have approved of my curriculum after reviewing it. I would also like to add that both of the GM's are DD list members, and acquaintances of each other. :-) I had students progressing to green belt under this curriculum, and I have to admit that I am pleasantly surprised with the results. I find it quite satisfying that these students can fall and roll with ease, apply locks and counters, use there hands well on open competition, and then slip into Olympic sparring mode like a true WTF'er. In closing, it's sad to say that I may have sacrificed a few great working relationships to do this, but like I said, regardless of the consequences, it was something I had to do as a martial artist. At this point...I couldn't picture myself teaching and studying anything else. Too me...it's the best of both worlds. Thanks for listening. Ron Bain <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Website: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr Taekwondo Hapkido Web Guide: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr/koreanma Sr. Computer Support Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:22:02 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Happy dayz A late Happy Canada Day for those up North and an early happy 4th for those in the USA. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #441 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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