From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #453 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 6 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 453 In this issue: the_dojang: Knives the_dojang: RE: Board breaking with knife hand the_dojang: Re: Knife Carry the_dojang: RE: Knife Carry the_dojang: FAA and the Airlines Re: the_dojang: Knives the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #450 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #452 Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #450 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.C.?=" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Knives Perhaps I am naive but why does everyone carry knives? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:17:37 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Board breaking with knife hand Dr. McFee, Although I am no board breaking expert, I have been around a few in my day ;-) Your assessment of the knifehand break sounds like the best advice you could get/receive. Although a good technique should break real wood at any point, I don't think intentionally striking an inch above center would be ideal. This would be closer to the support at the top of the board, and would (probably) require a bit more strength/penetration to break. That said, you will always need to "read" your wood to ensure you are taking advantage of each board. Here's some things I keep in mind: - - Of course the grain on the "striking surface" of the boards must line up. - - Make sure any knots "line up", if possible. No point in staggering them, it will just make the break harder. - - Look at the grain of the wood (on the non-finished edges). You will usually see it curve in one direction or the other. Make sure all three board's edge grain curve in the same direction when you put the boards together. - - Wood breaks from back to front, so set these boards up so that the edge grains curve "away" from the strike. The grain is curving around the "center" of the tree or branch the wood came from. I have heard it said that a tree is stronger on the outside than it is on the inside, so you want the "inside" of the board, the weaker part, away from you. - - Look at each board. If there are natural "weak spots" (sometimes the wood has dark sections running through them), place these boards in the back your pack of three. GET SOME GOOD BOARD HOLDERS! Now here's a good lead-in for a new discussion: Make sure your board holders know what they are doing. I'd like to hear some other comments, but here's what we teach as "good holding": - - Solid stances, normally front stances, on the two people holding - - Arms locked out - - Boards firmly positioned on the holder's hands, with the finger-tips removed as much as possible from the striking surface of the boards (won't be much of an issue with three boards!) - - SHOULDERS of holders together with "near" opposite hands holding the top of the boards. So, if I am holding, and am the holder on the right (looking at the back of the boards;-), my left hand is holding the top right of the boards, and my right hand is holding the bottom right. The other person is holding the top left with their right hand and the bottom left with their left hand. In this way, our shoulders can be together as direct support behind the holding hands. - - Often times our "back" leg in the front stance will interlock so as to ensure a solid stance. This requires "opposite" front stances. So, in my example, I would be in a right front stance, the other holder in a left front stance. Their right leg and my left can rest on each other to support the strength of the stances. As mentioned, I would like to hear some other "good holding" techniques. I know a LOT of folks like to cross arms when holding - I'd like to hear some benefits to that approach. Outside all this, good luck on your break. Focus, but relax, think "through the boards" - As I like to say, the boards are just getting in the way of your normally good technique! Because they get in the way, they break! I just realized how hard it is to put some of these thoughts into writing. Please ask, if unsure about anything! Thanks. Good luck, Mark Lasich Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com *************************************************************** Planning your next home improvement project? 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Michael ROwe ------------------------------ From: Tom Marker Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:51:19 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Knife Carry >From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net >CA Law is a bit rusty for me - However, based on what I was last told (by >an lawyer mind you) I can carry a 3 1/4" folder as long as it is not >concealed. >Of course that can change. CA is the dumbest state in terms of weapons laws >that I have ever seen. The following site, run by knife expert Bernard Levine, has links to laws on the books regarding knives: http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/links.htm In California, you can conceal any folding knife. This means anything from a spyderco ladybug to a REKAT Sifu or COld Steel Vaquero Grande. Cold Steel catalogs advertise their knives as "concealable in california" However, automatic knives over 1" or balisongs will still land you in deep doo-doo. Here in Ohio, there are no size limitations, but you could be nailed for carrying a deadly weapon, depending on if you decide to tell the officer you carry it for self-defense. FWIW, I usually have an AFCK and rotate the other knife between Spyderco dragonfly/endura/cricket/jot singh khalsa/jd smith. For the fellow who wondered about carrying a baton (presumably a collapsable one like an ASP) this can get you in BIG trouble in a lot of places, since it's hard to argue the utility value. Even if you might be more trained with it than the officers who carry them... If you can get a concealed weapons permit, you may have more leeway depending on your state. Since I live in Ohio, I don't have such luxury. If knife laws go the same way as gun laws (which they undoubtably will, look at the UK.) then I don't know what I'll do. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:00:32 PDT Subject: the_dojang: FAA and the Airlines I just got off the phone with the public affairs office of the FAA. I asked them about the carry on regs concerning knives. The nice woman I spoke with, Rebecca Trexler (sp?), had a lot of good info. The FAA regs have not changed recently wrt knives carried on board. What has happened recently is that some of the airlines themselves, e.g. United, have tightened security. As we know, the security stations at (all?) airports are contracted out to various airlines to operate. In many it is United that runs the security. Their regs are tighter than the FAA's. The FAA's still state that anything under 4" is ok. However, as Ms. Trexler stated, at the point the security check is being made it is up to the contracting agency to make the call, not the FAA. Thus the situation with locking blade knives. One problem, however, is that not even the average United worker at the counter or in the air knows this, just those working the security checkpoints. You'll also note this all began about the time United started putting the carry-on bag size checking metal guardplate on the Xray machines leading to the gates. Some of the other airlines complained that United was imposing their restrictions (smaller bag size) on the other airlines since United was running the security checkpoint in many airports. But the other airlines don't seem to care much about change in the knife regs, thus the confusion in what is and what isn't 'the law'. As for the FAA regs, they are available on the web at www.faa.gov. Thanks to Ms. Trexler for clearing this up. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:03:13 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Knives > > Perhaps I am naive but why does everyone carry knives? > I guess the best PC answer is that like a pocket comb, a pocket knife can come in real handy at times. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:47:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #450 In a message dated 7/6/00 12:39:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Police *generally* consider straight edges to be less "evil" than serrated. If you do carry a knife, *never* carry it for self defense - carry it because you use it for opening boxes, etc. and happened to have it handy. >> I have to dis-agree with this one. As a police officer near Boston Most of us consider a knife a knife. Serrated and straight edge just as bad, Worse yet are boxcutters and straight razors. just my 2 cents.... Jack ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:02:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #452 In a message dated 7/6/00 12:37:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > I have a Police model spyderco hidden on my person when im on duty and also a benchmade. The benchmade is nice but I do not like the coating as it inhibits the blade from swiftly being deployed. A freinds model is just the same and it seems as if it's standard on the larger benchmades ive examined. the cold steel line of knives have excellent lock mechanisms and are tested for holding strength and razor sharp. I may give them a look in the future.... Jack ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:26:51 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #450 > << > Police *generally* consider straight edges to be less "evil" than serrated. > If you do carry a knife, *never* carry it for self defense - carry it > because you use it for opening boxes, etc. and happened to have it handy. > >> > I have to dis-agree with this one. As a police officer near Boston Most of > us consider a knife a knife. Serrated and straight edge just as bad, Worse > yet are boxcutters and straight razors. just my 2 cents.... I gotta go w/Jack here. The LEOs I've trained with know enough about knives to not be concerned over plain vs. half-n-half vs. serrated. However, the general public does seem to think there is a difference. When I would pull out my serrated Endura, to open a box or cut a bagel, the eyes would open REAL wide. Do the same with a plain edge and the eyes only open a little. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:01:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #453 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.