From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #455 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 7 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 455 In this issue: the_dojang: Board Breaking the_dojang: Re:knife Re: the_dojang: Re:knife the_dojang: Re: New romanization system the_dojang: Re: romanisation debate the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #454 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #453 the_dojang: Whop instead of hit the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:50:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Board Breaking I have seen a lot of time spent on discussions of what to look for when breaking boards and I find it disappointing at this time. What every happened to good technique? Technique should be your only concern when breaking anything. Grandmaster Choi, Han Young has been my Kwan Jang for over 25 years and he always taught us to focus on the object, pick a point and strike it with total commitment and concentration. Prior to breaking anything you should put yourself in the right frame of mind. See what you want to do in your mind first create a strong visual image and than take control. A good clean technique will remain in your mind long after the break is forgotten. The bottom line is just step up and deliver the blow with precision and force. If the truth be known their is no short cut and be happy knowing that you can break what ever you decide it is that you truly want to break after you decide that it is what you are going to do. Like Nike says Just Do It! Good luck! Train to live and Live Train. Grandmaster Dan Rogers 8th Dan Chun Ki Hapkido ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:47:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:knife In a message dated 7/6/00 9:44:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: I do not carry a knife for self defense. I have heard though that learning to handle a knife may be important in being able to defend against a knife attack, that is to know what to expect. I think that many martial artists who practice knife defense may be naive about how hard it would be to really defend against a knife attack and that many of the knife defenses that we practice are unrealistic. My TKD instructor has a double edged knife that is so sharp that if you grabbed his wrist, a very slight flick of his wrist could cut one's arm very deeply. I am curious whether others on this list have ever had to defend against a knife in a real street situation and what techniques they used. My father was a surgeon and not a martial artist. When I was about 18 and training very hard in martial arts I told him that I suspected that I could defend against a knife wielding assailant without much problem. I was pretty good at taking away rubber knives in the dojang. He laughed and said that I didn't know what I was talking about and he would show me soon. About two weeks later he woke me at two am to accompany him to the emergency room as he was called to sew up two guys who had been in a knife fight. It blew my mind. One guy was lying there breathing through a gaping hole in his neck. I realized that I was in denial about the reality of what a knife fight was and what a knife could really do. This experience blew my denial out of the water. I was never again cocky about fighting someone with a knife and to this day I am afraid of people with knives. Another friend who is a superb martial artist told me that he would much rather defend against a gun, AT CLOSE RANGE, than a knife, that a knife scares him much more than a gun, again at close range. I wonder if others would agree. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:33:40 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re:knife > what a knife could really do. This experience blew my denial out of the > water. I was never again cocky about fighting someone with a knife and to > this day I am afraid of people with knives. Another friend who is a superb > martial artist told me that he would much rather defend against a gun, AT > CLOSE RANGE, than a knife, that a knife scares him much more than a gun, > again at close range. I wonder if others would agree. Jose' Good post. All too often you ask someone 'what is the first rule of a knife fight?' and they answer with 'don't get cut'. Wrong! The first rule of a knife fight is YOU WILL GET CUT. Accept that fact and train with that in mind. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:27:07 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: New romanization system Hello, after I read about the new romanization system, my first question was: will anybody use this system when it comes to martial arts names like Taekwondo or Hapkido? I mean, these names are much like company names, and I seriously doubt that Samsung or Daewoo will change the spelling. But maybe I`m wrong... I for one would feel really strange referring to martial arts taught in my school as "Daegweondo" and "Habgido"... - -- Byodr Pernad... oops, I meant Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Ryan Shroyer" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:04:58 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Re: romanisation debate I'm sorry to clog a TKD list with this note on romanization, but feel I was misrepresented by a previous post to this list. I believe Mr. Pratt's reply is jumping the gun a bit. I'm not debating anything. Neither am I claiming that one system is better than the other. He wrote: >>"The idea that ô and û can not be used in the internet world is plainly >>wrong, look at any European non-English web page..." But I'm not saying that your browser doesn't support various methods of encoding. What I said was that you can't use diacritics and special characters in email addresses or web addresses. That's it. Nothing more. Nor am I saying this should be the sole reason for the new romanization's adoption. He also wrote: >>The aspirated k (k'), t (t'), ch (ch') and p (p') are not distinguished in the new system This makes >>any transliteration impossible. This is plain wrong. In fact, the aspirated consonants now have one (and only one) possible rendering. Also, with the M-R system, one needed to know something of Korean orthography and pronounciation rules in order to transliterate it back into Hangul. Now, you need only know the romanization rules -- nothing more. He wrote: >>The new system fails as ... a system providing a pronunciation guide to non-Korean speakers >>(such as tourists who are unlikely to learn a system of romanisation before coming) I never claimed that it did. But it does, indeed, correct *some* inconsistencies in the M-R system. Do you really pronounce the name "Pusan" with a "P" sound at the beginning of the word? If so, you're not pronouncing it correctly. Do you pronounce the syllable kwon (as in tae-kwon-do) with a "K" sound? Again, that's not the proper sound. And: >> The new system fails as ... a method of accurately transliterating hangul. Again, plain wrong. It is, by far, more accurate than the M-R system. It removes the need for knowledge of Korean orthography. It takes away (from the M-R system) romanization variance caused by pronounciation differences within the standard (Seoul) dialect. WHAT IT DOES NOT DO is make it easier for someone with no knowledge of Korean to pronounce things. That is certain; I agree with that point. Respectfully, Ryan Shroyer Korean Linguist, USN ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:59:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #454 In a message dated 07/06/2000 9:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Re:knife in pocket > > Regarding carrying a knife, what are the legal ramifications > of carrying a knife. Is my understanding correct that as long as the > blade is 4 inches or less it is permissible ? If an overzealous police > officer stops you and searches you, can he arrest you for certain type > of blade carry. > > It realy depends of the laws or the country/state or peovince. > > Sandy In truth, an overzelous LEO (or ball buster in a bad mood) can really do anything he wants. If he/she really feels like taking the knife, arresting you and other nasty things, there really isn't anything you can do about it. Your best defense in this situation is not to carry a knife in the first place. But if you must, please remember that LEO's will generally feel better about leaving you alone if your attitude takes on the tone of a reasonable person and not someone who feels put out by them doing their job. It is important to appear to be the "type" who would use a weapon only if push really came to shove. Be open to them and as my daddy use to say.. make sure you say "no sir/yes sir" quite a bit. It shows respect and allows them to feel like they are in control. be well stone ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:12:12 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #453 re knives - This reminds me of a story a friend of mine who used to do a lot of fencing told me. He was cycling to training with a sabre on his back, and was stopped by a policeman, who wanted to know where he was going with a 2-foot blade. Once the officer realised my friend was actually on the national fencing team, and wasn't off to skewer someone with it, his attitude changed abruptly.... Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:23:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Whop instead of hit Ken, I always liked that line in Billy Jack too, but it's "Whop." Billy: You know what I think I'm going to do then, just for the hell of it? Posner: Tell me. Billy: I'm going to take this right foot and I'm going to whop you on that side of your face - and you want to know something? There's not a damn thing you're going to be able to do about it, Posner: Really? Billy: (laughing) Really. WHOP Yours in Training, Alain Burrese (Who has all the videos and the screen play) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 7:47:49 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #455 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.