From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #456 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 7 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 456 In this issue: the_dojang: Commandments of Steel the_dojang: Re: Board Breaking the_dojang: re: knife attacks the_dojang: Re: Knives the_dojang: Hapkido Schools in Korea the_dojang: Recommendations on good blades to carry. the_dojang: Holy Hamstrings the_dojang: Back from Korea the_dojang: Re: Alain=Whop ! ; How can I top that ? Re: the_dojang: Re: Alain=Whop ! ; How can I top that ? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:08:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Commandments of Steel Commandment #1 Steel cuts Flesh Commandment #2 You can't change commandment #1 Commandment #3 Unless you wear Bluetights with a big red "S" on it Commandments # 1 & 2 Always apply ------------------------------ From: "Brad Bezoni" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:29:47 +0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Board Breaking Mr. Lasich wrote: "GET SOME GOOD BOARD HOLDERS! Now here's a good lead-in for a new discussion: Make sure your board holders know what they are doing. I'd like to hear some other comments, but here's what we teach as "good holding": - - - Solid stances, normally front stances, on the two people holding - - - Arms locked out - - - Boards firmly positioned on the holder's hands, with the finger-tips removed as much as possible from the striking surface of the boards (won't be much of an issue with three boards!) - - - SHOULDERS of holders together with "near" opposite hands holding the top of the boards. So, if I am holding, and am the holder on the right (looking at the back of the boards;-), my left hand is holding the top right of the boards, and my right hand is holding the bottom right. The other person is holding the top left with their right hand and the bottom left with their left hand. In this way, our shoulders can be together as direct support behind the holding hands. - - - Often times our "back" leg in the front stance will interlock so as to ensure a solid stance. This requires "opposite" front stances. So, in my example, I would be in a right front stance, the other holder in a left front stance. Their right leg and my left can rest on each other to support the strength of the stances. As mentioned, I would like to hear some other "good holding" techniques. I know a LOT of folks like to cross arms when holding - I'd like to hear some benefits to that approach." This wouldn't be a sore spot, would it Mr. Lasich? :) I recently had the opportunity to meet Mr. Lasich, and let me tell everyone on the list, this is definitely one of the people in the world you want to meet - he'll tell you exactly what he thinks, and is one of the nicest people to talk to that I have run into in my adventures in TKD. That said, on to the real response: we use the "cross-armed" hold in both the school that I am at now and the one that I originally started in. I have found that this style of holding boards gives greater support of the board, and, as Mr. Lasich said is a key to good board holding, forces the board holders to put their shoulders even closer together. There are, however, obvious things to be taken into consideration when holding this way - if holding for a kick, cross the arms on top to allow the leg to come down and not get "hung up" in the arms, same thing for techniques coming downward, etc. To Dr. McFee: you may want to look into having someone stand behind your board holders and support them - 3 boards take a lot of power to break, usually enough to knock the people holding straight out of their stances. Good luck in your break! ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:45:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: knife attacks i have had the misfortune to defend against a knife attack. I still have the scar on my palm where i was cut. There are two points I would like to mention. Though I was aware that a weapon was present, it was my own impetuousness of youth which caused the attack. Though, I had planned on being cut, I wasn't prepared for how much it would burn and hurt. The second point is that, although I am skilled at martial arts, it wasn't skill that saved me... it was luck plain and simple. That could have gone both ways, and it could have ended up not being able to be here reading the dojang digest. Knife fighting is real, and it is dangerous. I agree with the surgeon. I'd rather face a gun anyday. If any of you have any friends in law enforcement, see if they can get a training video called "surviving edged weapons". Though I don' t recall much blood in it, there is a good deal of proven material in it. Listen to it, pay attention... then make sure you provide this information to your students. One of the reasons I became an active instructor, as opposed to simply maintaining my practice of martial arts, is that I had a room mate named Crystal Smith several years ago. She was a victim of domestic vioelence, and was murdered using a knife. It took weeks to clean all the blood. Please make sure that everyone you know and care about has this information. frank ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri Jul 07 11:49:24 2000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Knives >>I think that many martial artists who practice knife >>defense may be naive about how hard it would be to >>really defend against a knife attack and that many of >>the knife defenses that we practice are unrealistic. Jose, Very good post, and so true. I just had a student that I used to teach at the University join my HKD class at the new place. He told me one of the best classes that he remembered from the U was the one on knives. I showed them just how difficult many of the "Knife defenses" actually are. You must also remember that yes, a person trained with a knife will not attack you with the big open movements that many of the knife defenses are used against, but also an untrained person won't always attack that way either. I remember being chased around the yard by an exotic dancer with Marc MacYoung laughing over on the side. We were working with knives, and he had one of the women we worked with at nights come over. (we did bodyguard and security work for a bunch of dancers) He gave her the training knife and told her, "Get him" He looked at me and said, "You can't hit her, just get out of the way." After you get good at moving, then you can add blocks, and then grab and control the weapon hand/arm. It is a lot tougher than people who just go through a few knife disarms with a prearranged attack might think. Jose hit the nail on the head. And you must also remember, it doesn't matter if it is a trained knifer who sticks you, or someone with no experience just flailing about. Both do damage, and both can kill you. Well, I better get to work, and then get packed for California. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Schools in Korea Any list members recommend Hapkido schools in either Pusan, Taegu,Osan AB, Camp Casey, or Seoul ? Preferable a school where one of the instructors can speak English. What is the general Won fee for monthly instruction. Thanks, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:12:48 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Recommendations on good blades to carry. Ken noted: "Part II. Recommendations on good blades to carry." As for a general purpose tool I really like the Spyderco knives. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:07:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Holy Hamstrings The good news is that my TKD school has an official club where I work which means I get an extra hour (approximately) workout at lunchtime on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. The bad news is that today in the middle of an overly aggressive skipping side-kick, my hamstring on my base leg made a muffled "boing" noise and proceeded to hurt like a monkey. So far, the advice I've had includes 1) keeping ice on it for the first 24 hours then heat and 2) applying Tiger Balm liberally to the area. Any other words of wisdom? (By the way, yes - I realize that I didn't warm up and stretch out enough and that my side kick was aimed too high.) TIA Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Todd Miller Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:50:11 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Back from Korea We recently got back from our yearly trip to the Jungki Kwan (Taegu). The Jungki Kwan's headmaster is Grandmaster Lim, Hyun Soo, the highest ranking Hapkido GM in Korea under the founder Choi,Yong Sool and the highest ranking Kuhapdo GM in Korea as well. This years summer camp was great as usual, training for 6 - 10 hours a day. The emphasize was on the key points of off balancing in each technique and the founders original requirements. The Kuhapdo had the same emphasize on the key points of each draw, cut and resheathing of the sword. I had the chance to meet some more of the old time Hapkido students of the founder and also some Masters from the Korea Hapkido federation and Korea Hapkido Association that are now members of the Jungki Kwan (they had some interesting stories). I also want to congratulate the members of the Korea Jungki Hapkido & Kuhapdo Association of America who tested for there next dan level. Marc Brackett, Mike de Aloia, Sheryl Gliden, and especially Stuart Emery who is my top Black belt and assistant. The test was long and rigorous with many techniques being demonstrated. Grandmaster Lim was a great host spending many hours with each individual on and off the mat. The Jungki Kwan is truly the best dojang in all of Korea or the world for that matter (My opinion). Take care Todd Miller The Korea Jungki Hapkido & Kuhapdo Association (USA Branch) ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Alain=Whop ! ; How can I top that ? Alain B corrected Big Ken McD: Response: How the heck can I top that ? You have the screen play too, huh ? Well, I stand corrected. Seriously, I have received the home gym with the additional barbells. Have lost 6 lbs. on the modified Atkins Diet. Energy coming back. I hear the soundtrack of Rocky in the background. "Getting stronger..." When things settle down for you send to me the weight lifting information you mentioned previously. Regards to your lovely bride/wife. Forget those nasty things I said about Wedlock is a Padlock ! Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:48:12 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Alain=Whop ! ; How can I top that ? > Response: How the heck can I top that ? You have the screen play too, huh > ? > Well, I stand corrected. If you're ever in Prescott, AZ you'll quickly recognize the area around their court house as where much of the fight action took place. The ice cream shop, now a yogurt shop, is still there looking like it did in the late 60s. > Seriously, I have received the home gym with the additional barbells. Have > lost 6 lbs. on the modified Atkins Diet. Energy coming back. I hear the > soundtrack of Rocky in the background. "Getting stronger..." How is the modified Atkins different from the Atkins diet? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:49:43 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #456 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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