From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #465 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 11 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 465 In this issue: the_dojang: Re:yulgupja thred the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #464 the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF (follow-up) the_dojang: Re: Billy Jack Lawsuit the_dojang: HKD sparring the_dojang: Re: Sloppy Bong the_dojang: HKD sparring the_dojang: Visiting Europe the_dojang: board holders the_dojang: 1974-printing :-/ Re: the_dojang: 1974-printing :-/ the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:58:05 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:yulgupja thred thanks sir... so they are applicable to all korean martial arts regardless of style? frank ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:34:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #464 In a message dated 00-07-10 21:43:57 EDT, you write: << > What impressed me were the "glancing" (or, follow-through) chops! > GM Ji terms these as 'slicing'. Rather different from TKD & TSD's approach. Ray Terry >> Thank you. Yes, and very different from Kenpo's "glancing" chops, also. Looks like it would take immaculate timing -- but, super-effective! Steve W. ------------------------------ From: SecOfDef@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:27:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF In a message dated 7/10/00 8:44:16 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > So the question is for the WTFers out there, what techniques & steps have > you found that work well for scoring? For the ITFers out there, what > techniques & steps have you found work well for scoring? For the TSD/SBDers > out there... You get the idea. > This thread promises to be very interesting.. As a fifth (hopefully fourth now after testing:) grade belt in the ATA (American Taekwondo Association), I've had quite a bit of luck with a crescent kick to the head/shoulders. I don't know how successfully this kick is used in higher levels, but I have noticed 2nd dans nailing each-other with something that they call an "inverted front kick." Exactly what this is, I'm not sure, but I sure as heck have a hard time defending against it.. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Sammy Frantz - K0YAK - Rochester, MN "Freedom is on the other side of the fences we put around ourselves." --- Unknown ------------------------------ From: SecOfDef@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:33:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF (follow-up) Oops, should have thought more before I clicked "send." One last thought worth mentioning: I originally considered the crescent kick to be a "defensive" kick; one to force my opponent to keep his distance or to disrupt his combinations. It remains very useful for this, but I've utilized it quite successfully offensively. Would anybody care to comment on this? I'd be curious to know what value, if any, you have for the crescent kick. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Sammy Frantz - K0YAK - Rochester, MN "Freedom is on the other side of the fences we put around ourselves." --- Unknown ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:28:03 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Billy Jack Lawsuit > Was this a law suit related to the 'Billy Jack' film? What's the story? > > And which video is this? Is it one of the ten videos GM Han sells? If > so, do you recommend it as a good general intro to his Hapkido? > > Jesse Sorry Jesse, didn't see this until after I had sent my original reply. This was a demonstration video that accompanied the 10 video instructional set available from Panther. I can't remember if it was free when you bought the series, or not. I no longer see it advertised with the set, so I'm not sure whether it is still available from Panther. I'm sure an email or call to them would answer that, or possibly the IHK site which used to be at: http://www.intl-hapkido.org/. (it appears GM Han is working on a new site: http://www.bongsoohan.com ) I would have to say that it is the video set to buy if you are interested in GM Han's style of HKD, as it is his official set of videos. My only gripe was that I got the impression some techniques where missing (for a BB set), but overall highly recommended. I believe Panther has one of their incredible sales on right now. Worth checking out. Ron ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:33:31 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: HKD sparring RE: HKD Sparring. Years ago, we used to spar regularly in class using all the techniques we learned in Kuk Sool Won Hap Ki Do, we even had some invitational tournaments. It was great fun; but, as the lawsuits became more and more of a threat even in Canada, we had to stop. First the schoolboards would not allow it for tournaments, and then our Grandmaster had a scare when someone broke a collarbone after a throw and threatened to sue. A few years ago, the West Point (open) Kuk Sool tournaments allowed some throws and takedowns. I guess they could afford the risk. As I am no longer involved with WKSA, I am not sure if they still allow it. More recently, I attended the Canada Games in Ottawa where there were three simultaneous tournaments going on at once. TKD had its own tournament (with the General in attendance), another tournament featured Chinese martial artists, and there was also an "open" event which featured Jiu Jitsu and grappling. It was very interesting, and it really drove home the fact that such bouts (where more or less everything goes) take much more effort. Many of the competitors were totally spent after a few rounds. Because we could not enter the TKD tournament, my students entered the "open" division. It was a real eye opener for some of my students who had never done anything like this, and it spurred them on to harder training (which was a nice benefit). Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association. ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:56:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sloppy Bong At 10:01 PM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >Basically GM Han says that they had to use "locals" for the park fight >scene, who knew nothing about MA, stunts, or acting. He doesn't go into too >much detail, but says that there were two law suits. One from the fellow who >received the spinning heel kick to the upper arm, and the second from the >person who got the front 'stomp' kick to the face. Apparently they didn't >"react" correctly, and got hit a little too hard, which resulted in some >'bruising'. Is THAT how he explains it these days....when the film came out I kidded him about not having better control, but commented that at least he was better than Joe Lewis in that department.......he was more ready to agree back then. b ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:47:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: HKD sparring We are not big on tournaments, but our assoc. has them twice a year for our students' benefit. We make a clear distinction to the students between sparring and self-defense, as many hkd techs are too dangerous for sport competition. Our classifications are by each two years, each two belt ranks. For example, first category is 5-6yrs, white/yellow. White belts can only spar by special permission of their instructor - usually because they've had previous experience in another art before starting w/ us. Our point sparring rules are as follows: Participants must wear mouthpiece, headgear, hand, foot, and shin protection, groin cups for males, chest guard (optional) for females. At about 13 yrs we start to separate sparring classifications by gender. Target area for points is body above waist (except neck and back), and headgear (not face). No groin or leg shots, no spinning heel kicks, or blind-spinning backfists. In addition - White/yellow and all participants 8 yrs and under regardless of rank - no head shots. Orange/Purple - kicking to the headgear, but not punching. Green/Blue - punching and kicking to headgear. Brown/Red - punching and kicking to headgear, may also sweep and throw, but no forward sweeps which attack the knee. Black over 18 - may use spinning heel kicks and headgear is optional. (We expect more control from them.) The rules have become more restrictive during the last several years due to injuries. I have seen knock-outs w/ spinning heel kicks and eye injuries w/ blind spinning backfists. We award one point for punches, two points for kicks, throws, sweeps, or take-downs. Rounds are 2 min. or 5 points, whichever comes first. BBs get two or three minutes, depending on what GM wants, and unlimited points. Techs must be clean to score. We call warnings for excessive contact, low kicks, and face contact. Two written warnings for the preceeding, or drawing blood is disqualification. Sharon Tkach Kim's Hapkido Jang Mu Hkd Assoc. (GM Chong S. Kim) ------------------------------ From: Brett Kraiger Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:59:51 +1200 Subject: the_dojang: Visiting Europe Hi All I am visiting Europe in September on a whirlwind trip - a lot of countries in a few days! I was hoping that I'd be able to train in an ITF club/school in some of the places I am visiting. Perhaps people who are near to any of the following places can assist me! My itinerary is not finalised but will be it will be very close to as outlined below. The dates shown are the evenings that I will be in the towns/cities listed. 2 Sept: Paris 3-4 Sept: Amsterdam 5-6 Sept: Berlin 7-8 Sept: Fritzlar (Germany) 9 Sept: Nurenberg or Munich. Probably Nurenberg. 10-11 Sept: Kraig (Austria - small town near Klagenfurt and St Veit/Glan) 12 Sept: Geneva 13-15 Sept: Not planned yet - in the general region of South of France. i.e. somewhere on the Mediterranean coast. Montpellier or Sete. 16-18 Sept: Mallorca Please email me at bkraiger@ihug.co.nz if you are able to assist. Thanks Brett Kraiger NZ 2-106 ------------------------------ From: Howard Wilson Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:23:03 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: board holders Just checking up on a few past threads and I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up, but another advantage to having your holders cross arms on top, ie. the inside arms cross and hold the top of the boards, is the crossed arms offer a blocking area to stop any loose board from flying into the holders faces after the break. Holders tend to dislike it when that happens!! Can solve some of the flinching from the holders right before the break if they know they are less likely to get hit in the face. Howard Wilson, 3rd Dan (ATA) http://w3.one.net/~howard ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:42:52 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: 1974-printing :-/ I just received my TKD-book my majgen Choi. It has a 1965-copyright, but seems to have been printed in 1974. No indication of revision is made, but I don't feel sure. I do not care how old the book really is - I only want the 1965-info. Does anyone know if there have been any changes to the 1974 printing? Or was the 1965 edition printed in english at all? The book makes a point that the original version was in korean. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 6:00:03 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: 1974-printing :-/ > I just received my TKD-book my majgen Choi. > > It has a 1965-copyright, but seems to have been printed in 1974. > > No indication of revision is made, but I don't feel sure. > > I do not care how old the book really is - I only want the 1965-info. > > Does anyone know if there have been any changes to the 1974 printing? > Or was the 1965 edition printed in english at all? The book makes a point > that the original version was in korean. I have a 1965 copy. The only date that is listed is 1965 in the book and 1968 on the dust cover. One indicator may be the forms listed, Patterns in Taekwon-do. 20 forms from the Ch'ang-Hon school are listed as well as 9 froms from the Sho-Rin and Sho-Rei Schools (heian, batsai, enbi, rohai, kouhshangkouh, tetki, jitte, jang-getsu, jion. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 6:01:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #465 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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