From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #467 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 11 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 467 In this issue: [none] the_dojang: Kentucky Fried Movie the_dojang: Dojang Digest #466 "Kentucky Fried Movie" the_dojang: Re: I-70 hapkido the_dojang: Re: nationals video the_dojang: sparring, ITF vs. WTF the_dojang: Van Damme Pleads No Contest the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF the_dojang: Re: Kentucky Fried Movie the_dojang: jesse/kev the_dojang: kicks and fighting steps for TSD I find useful the_dojang: The 1974 edition - some info Re: the_dojang: The 1974 edition - some info the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:41:18 GMT Subject: [none] Master Timmerman said: >More recently, I attended the Canada Games in Ottawa where there were > >three simultaneous tournaments going on at once. TKD had its own > >tournament (with the General in attendance), another tournament >featured >Chinese martial artists, and there was also an "open" event >which featured >Jiu Jitsu and grappling. Can you give us any more information on this event? I heard a little bit about it and would like to know how it was run and how it was received by the martial artists who participated in it. Also, how was the level of competition? Was it that of a national, regional, state, or local event? Thanks in advance. Taekwon, Chris ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:48:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kentucky Fried Movie > From: "Mac" > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:21:22 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Bong Soo Han - Movie > > I remember Bong Soo Han playing the bad guy in a spoof of Enter the Dragon > in "A Kentucky Fried Movie". I remember it being pretty funny. Did > anybody > else see it? > > Mac > > > Ah yes... the hero swatting the dog's nose and saying "What was that?"... the warning klaxon turning out to be a man yelling through a megaphone... the unusual attachments for the the villain's hand... That was Bong Soo Han? I had no idea at the time, it was so long ago. Gee, it's time to rent it again! Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Jerry Hinkle Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:04:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Dojang Digest #466 "Kentucky Fried Movie" >I remember Bong Soo Han playing the bad guy in a spoof of Enter the Dragon >in "A Kentucky Fried Movie". I remember it being pretty funny. Did anybody >else see it? It was very funny! It was called "A Fistful of Yen" and was the longest part of the movie. Jerry. ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:43:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: I-70 hapkido In a message dated 6/24/00 1:56:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Todd Deininger" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:07:09 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Dojangs near Interstate 70 It looks like I will be driving across the country from PA to CO this summer and I was wondering if anyone on the list belongs to a hapkido dojang not too far for Int. 70. Last time I did the drive I went straight through, this time I would like to break up the drive a little bit with some detours. Todd >> todd, a friend of mine teaches taekwondo and, informally, hapkido. i'm sure we'd all love to lock joints with you, so to speak :) melinda kansas city, missouri Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:46:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: nationals video In a message dated 6/25/00 7:39:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Olivos@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:34:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: NATIONALS in CO This is a quick question to the group. Why would an event like nationals NOT have any media coverage? Nor film company taping the matches to possibly sell at a later date like the World Cup? I was really dissapointed at that fact. And there are people out there looking for footage of the event. If anyone out there has any video, please let me know. I have at least four or five people (mostly in the Senior division) looking for it. tae kwon! Betty 1st dan >> we took some video on sunday. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:10:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: sparring, ITF vs. WTF > So the question is for the WTFers out there, what techniques & steps have > you found that work well for scoring? For the ITFers out there, what > techniques & steps have you found work well for scoring? For the TSD/SBDers > out there... You get the idea. Don't we have -any- successful tourny fighters out there? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:44:19 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Van Damme Pleads No Contest news item: BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - Jean-Claude Van Damme was fined $1,200 and put on three years' probation after pleading no contest to two driving-related offenses. His driving will be restricted to travel to and from work, and to the program. Van Damme, 39, was arrested Sept. 23 on Sunset Boulevard. The Belgian-born star failed a sobriety test. - ----- Me: I used to be very interested in Van Damme movies but my interest has waned since I heard about his personal problems like the one shown above. ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:27:26 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: sparring, ITF vs. WTF Hello > My working assumption (right? wrong?) is that the sparring techniques > (steps, certain kicks, hand techniques, etc) that work well in > olympic-style sparring may work less well in ITF or TSD or XYZ-style > sparring and vice versa. Seems to be an interesting thread. We are a WTF styled school which also enters open ITF style events run by different post-ITF groups out there. BTW, I have some background in both versions of TKD as well (and like them both, well... to a certain extent). The good thing is that we pick some ideas from WTF style sparring and use them in the ITF and vice versa. The most often scored techniques in the WTF style are the all-time favourites - good old roundhouse (ap dollyo chagi or bandal chagi) and back kick (dwit chagi). When we fight ITF style, our opponents tend to use a lot of front leg skipping side kick, which is a rare sight in the WTF. But we found out that a body roundhouse after a front leg sidestep is a good counter. When we came to an international event in Holland recently, we were quite happy to see the Argentinian team winning the team sparring event and beating the side-kicking English team with the same technique we used. And vice versa, many of my students like to use front leg yop chagi (but not the knee-up-and-skipping one) in the WTF styled events, mainly as a cut kick, but some can also score with a plain yop chagi. The funniest thing was when last year one of my students won a medal at the ITF styled event and nearly all the points he got were scored with head punches, which are definitely not a part of WTF competition arsenal... Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:23:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kentucky Fried Movie In a message dated 7/11/00 1:41:10 PM Central Daylight Time, Mac writes: << I remember Bong Soo Han playing the bad guy in a spoof of Enter the Dragon in "A Kentucky Fried Movie" >> You mean, "Fistfull of Yen?" It's the best, IMHO. You may have noticed the Rhee brothers and He Il Cho in the movie, as well. "This is not a shawade" was my favorite line, but GM Han's spinning wheel kick was totally awesome. Steve ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Tue Jul 11 17:07:11 2000 Subject: the_dojang: jesse/kev It sounds to me like you went in to a situation without the proper mindset. There is probably nothing wrong with your martial skills, with the exception of combat attitude. The angry customer was already at the combat level of mindset. You were right to think you did the wrong thing by putting your weapons behind your back. Preparing for the merde to hit the impelleaur is an inward thing. Outward actions (pre-fight) are only a facade. I deal, and yes, once in a while need to fight angry/hostile people who are already prepared to fight me (a cop wearing a gun) with their empty hands. I may have a smile on my face or a look of concern, but behind that I am coiled and ready for the moron to act, or at least make the first aggressive action. I am 100% ready for it, and have formulated several plans...all of which have me in command. It sounds like you got suprised by the persons actions, took a few moments to realize what was happening, went through the normal 'I cant believe this' stage, started to formulate a plan, started to take action......then oops, you got knocked out. The angry customer had already covered the steps that precede physical conflict. He had the mindset, he may have had a plan, he focused his hostility on you and acted. Action normally beats reation. The way to combat this is to be mentally prepared for combat, that way, you are probably further ahead in the process than the moron is because you have 'war gamed' and come up with several 'what-if' options. example: Every time I do a traffic stop, I mentally prepare for the worst possible thing to happen. That sweet mother of 3 might just have shot her husband, dog, and kidnapped the neighbors kids....and I might be next. I smile, I am polite, I am looking for any sign of hostile intent, I am ready to kill if necessary. It normally ends up with a warning (sometimes a citation) because the sweet mother of 3 really IS a sweet mother of 3 who just wasnt paying attention....but the times when my proactiveness has worked in my favor it has saved my life. The skills that we practice are only as good as the mind behind them. If we dont train ourselves to think aggressive, and act calm, we may be playing a game of catchup that we will lose. Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives Police Officer ------------------------------ From: Alanis0811@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:43:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: kicks and fighting steps for TSD I find useful As far as the crescent kick use one of your list members mentioned, I find the kick useful offensively when followed immediately by a side kick. The crescent kick/side kick combo can defensively block the opponents kicks and leave the open opponent watching your foot go down expected something else instead of continuing on and being and caught off guard by the side kick. ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:39:46 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: The 1974 edition - some info Dear everybody, I have now gotten some checkpoints for my 1974 print of the 1965-edition of majgen Choi's book. Here are the points that indicate that it has not been altered: - - There is no notification, second preface or anything stating any alterations from the first print - - All historical information stops at 1965 - - The number of pages is equal to the original - ie 304 - - The dobok is pretty tight karate-gis with kind of short pants - - The hoshinsul-section (pp 264-286) does not say that this is the most advanced piece of TKD - on the contrary it says the following nonsense on page 265: "It is unlikely that a Taekwon-Do expert can be held or grabbed by an assailant - nevertheless if it does happen, he will use these techniques to free himself." Yeah - right !! :-) - - Romanization info is included on page 300 - - both the original 20 chang hun forms are included (174-215) as well as 9 karate forms (pp 216-239) So you guys with several historical versions/prints of the book: does it seem like my 1974 printing is unaltered from the 1965 printing? Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:36:53 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: The 1974 edition - some info > > - The dobok is pretty tight karate-gis with kind of short pants > High water pants... :) Yep, sounds exactly like my 1965 printing. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:00 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #467 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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