From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #480 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 17 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 480 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Sparring, HAND Contact to the Face/Head. the_dojang: visiting Korea with short hair the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave/Karate and Gungfu the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #479 the_dojang: Re: Taekwando-Hapkido Unified Art the_dojang: Re: Sparring, HAND Contact to the Face/Head. the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 925 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thayne_Coffman@trilogy.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:14:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sparring, HAND Contact to the Face/Head. > Hey Folks what style do ya'll Spar in where Hand Contact (Back fist, jab, > etc.) is allowed to the Head? In all the tournaments I have been to In WTF > TKD this is Strictly forbidden. You only score with kicks to the sides, > never the face or back, of head > Just Curious Anne In the Kuk Sool Won tournaments I've been to (point sparring as opposed to full-contact), points are awarded for hand techniques to the head, but you're not supposed to make contact at all. Light contact is tolerated to the head with hands or feet, but they are a lot less lenient with the hands. Medium to hard contact is accepted to the body (I've never really tried to kick lightly to the body, and I've never been warned for contact to the body - only the head). B.T.W., the way they score it is 1 point for everything except a kick to the head, which is 2 points. ------------------------------ From: Thayne_Coffman@trilogy.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:23:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: visiting Korea with short hair So, this is kind of random, but I've got the opportunity to visit Korea for 2 weeks with my Master and some other students this October/November for some tournaments and demos, and my Master made the comment that before we go, he'd like me to grow my hair out some, which struck me as really strange. (I hate to have to say this, but my name is kind of uncommon, so) : I'm male. My hair is pretty short, so the only thing I can think of is that he didn't want people to think I was in the US Army or something (of course, the army doesn't let you have a goatee or earrings). Is there some information I'm missing, or is he just think I look bad with short hair? ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:50:17 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave/Karate and Gungfu >David Reed: > >I noticed some of the sine wave posts stated that karate does not use >this motion. This is incorrect. Particularly, the Okinawan styles have >a strong tradition of rather complex movement of the hip inherited from >the southern Chinese styles and from their native art. I am not sure I follow. ITF use hip movement alongside sine wave in order to deliver power, but the sine wave has really nothing to do with the hip. The sine wave is a lifting and lowering of the body. You move up before you strike and move down as you strike - basically. Was this what you meant? >Also, as all of the Korean forms are for the most part derivative of the >Okinawan/Japanasized froms transmitted through the 1940's, it is >interesting to see who uses the "modern' Shotokan-like forms versus the >older Okinawan methods. The ITF introduced sine wave to TKD - but not before late 70's, and it was not mandatory untill early 80s, so the chang-hun form set (chon-ji, dan-gun, do-san, ...) was performed more or less "flat" in the infancy of TKD - like all other forms used in TKD. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:12:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #479 In a message dated 7/17/2000 1:03:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hey Folks what style do ya'll Spar in where Hand Contact (Back fist, jab, etc.) is allowed to the Head? >> Hapkido. Under BB, contact to headgear only. Over 18, BB and higher, contact to head, but not face. During "friendly" in-studio sparring (not tournament), stuff happens. I have been hit and kicked in the head and face many times - but they're not "trying to kill me" blows. My personal belief is that it's better to risk minor (or major) injury in the relatively controlled studio atmosphere in order to have a better chance of surviving outside, than no risk inside (therefore no experience) and faring worse in the "real" thing. Sharon ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:50:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taekwando-Hapkido Unified Art In a message dated 7/17/00 4:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Taekwando-Hapkido Unified Art >> <> Im not sure if its the same, but I think I remember reading about that in TKD Times. Was it called Moo Ye Do, and the Master was a Korean Master who was somewhat thin in appearance and may have been in Florida. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Judy Barnett Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:42:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sparring, HAND Contact to the Face/Head. > > > From: "CA&B Skjold" > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:34:51 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: RE: Sparring, HAND Contact to the Face/Head. > > Hey Folks what style do ya'll Spar in where Hand Contact (Back fist, jab, > etc.) is allowed to the Head? In all the tournaments I have been to In WTF > TKD this is Strictly forbidden. You only score with kicks to the sides, > never the face or back, of head > Just Curious Anne > > ------------------------------ I have sparred in AOK rated tournaments and not only can you hit to the head(meaning the area on the helmet), after brown belt (usually 3rd guep), you can hit to the face!! You can be called for excessive contact tho. YOu can hit them, but ..... don't draw blood or cause excessive swelling. Under the same rules, you can punch or kick to the groin!! Really makes you aware of low kicks ;-) Judy Barnett 1st dan, American NamSeoKwan TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:34:02 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #480 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.