From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #481 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 18 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 481 In this issue: the_dojang: new list addendum the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #479 the_dojang: Sine Wave Re: the_dojang: Sine Wave the_dojang: Korean Forms the_dojang: GM Bong Soo Han the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 925 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Thank you. ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:03:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo? In a message dated 7/16/00 6:52:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > What is the AAU? Does it have anything to do with TKD? > > 1st dan WTF For your information, the AAU Taekwondo Committee is a "Group B" Member of the US Taekwondo Union; the recognized governing body (NGB) for taekwondo in America and under the US Olympic Committee. For all practical purposes it seems more advantageous for a taekwondo practitioner or dojang (club) to register directly through the USTU. Such information may be found on the footer of this page. SESilz ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:00:48 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #479 In a message dated 7/17/00 4:03:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Sarah Pride Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:12:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: What does this mean?/Latin >>Congrats Jack....Una Stamus. "We stand alone?" Hrrm. That doesn't make sense. ;) I think he meant something more like "Conjugi stamus," or "united we stand." - -Sarah Pride- >> It means (roughly) "We stand as one" The gentle man was referring to a police expression from one officer to another expressing the unity of the thin blue line. Meaning we alone keep society's worst from harming society's best. My two cents worth. And it meant alot seeing it posted. Jack Ouellette ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:27:10 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Sine Wave >David Reed: > >I noticed some of the sine wave posts stated that karate does not use >this motion. This is incorrect. Particularly, the Okinawan styles have >a strong tradition of rather complex movement of the hip inherited from >the southern Chinese styles and from their native art. I am not sure I follow. ITF use hip movement alongside sine wave in order to deliver power, but the sine wave has really nothing to do with the hip. The sine wave is a lifting and lowering of the body. You move up before you strike and move down as you strike - basically. ** I would suggest that you look at the belt knot of a senior practitioner. As the motion becomes less obvious, the tilt of the pelvis, which switches weight and engages different muscles becomes much more apparent. The knot will point more upwards instead of dropping the body significantly. This also overcomes the telegraphing problem. Another post alluded to the difference between how one teaches the general idea versus the refined method. >Also, as all of the Korean forms are for the most part derivative of the >Okinawan/Japanasized froms transmitted through the 1940's, it is >interesting to see who uses the "modern' Shotokan-like forms versus the >older Okinawan methods. The ITF introduced sine wave to TKD - but not before late 70's, and it was not mandatory untill early 80s, so the chang-hun form set (chon-ji, dan-gun, do-san, ...) was performed more or less "flat" in the infancy of TKD - like all other forms used in TKD. **ITF may have formalized this idea, but Tang Soo Do and a number of the old kwans where the founders/seniors studied with Okinawan trained teachers have always used this. Its in the forms and basics. Old TKD forms from the 50s also looked much different then they do today. I would suggest that ITF has gone back to its roots perhaps in response to the loss of this excellent method in the more sanitized WTF forms. No disrespect intended but I've seen a number of organizations change, add, delete, and otherwise adapt their curricula in response to external variables. Consider the previous Juche thread and the addition of weapons forms(using weapons not traditional to Korea) into Korean styles. I would finish by encouraging members to look at the old Okinawan styles and southern Chinese styles to see the evolution of their art and perhaps gain an insight into their current curricula. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:09:46 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Sine Wave > I would finish by encouraging members to look at the old Okinawan styles > and southern Chinese styles to see the evolution of their art and > perhaps gain an insight into their current curricula. I just picked up a book by Alex Co on Five Ancestor Fist Kung-Fu. This was the style, or one of the styles, that greatly influenced the Okinawan styles and perhaps gave them the kata Sanchin (sam chien in Five Ancestor Fist). Interesting reading. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:07:24 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Forms This passage was part of a recent post: > Also, as all of the Korean forms are for the most part derivative of the > Okinawan/Japanasized froms transmitted through the 1940's, In this passage, the contributor seems to suggest that ALL Korean forms are derived from Japanese martial arts. For our information, please furnish us with some idea on #1: how you substantiate that Kuk Sool forms were derived from Japanese or Okinawan forms or #2: that Kuk Sool forms are not Korean. Rudy, Kwan jang. National Korean Martial Arts Association. www.nkmaa.ca ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:12:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: GM Bong Soo Han Last week, while visiting Southern California on my honeymoon, I had the honor of meeting Hapkido Grandmaster Bong Soo Han. Being a Hapkido practitioner and a big fan of the "Billy Jack" movies, I was very excited to meet GM Han and visit his school in Santa Monica. My wife, Yi Saeng, and I had a nice visit with GM Han in his office last Wednesday. He is a true gentleman who carries himself with great poise. His manner is as impressive as his Hapkido skills and accomplishments. One of the things he stressed was that it was important to keep working at improvement. He stated that you should not compare yourself with others, or worry about how good or bad you are, but to seek improvement and strive to improve yourself. If not, you will go backwards. On Friday, GM Han let me attend a class he was teaching. I had a great time working out with one of his students, and was sort of in awe at being able to attend a class taught by someone I had admired for so many years. (Ever since the Billy Jack movies as a kid, and as recently as a few months ago when I introduced Yi Saeng to the videos) After the class, on the way home, Yi Saeng mentioned that I must have been nervous since I was tense in the class. She was right, I was. Tense and nervous. We had a good talk about GM Han's school and class. We were both very impressed by the actions of all the students. There was a strong sense of respect and friendship among the students. Yi Saeng and I discussed how a good teacher of martial arts should also be a good person, and teach responsibility and respect as well. GM Han definitely sets a great example at this. It was a very inspirational meeting, and I feel honored to have had the chance to meet GM Han and attend his class. I intend to follow his example in my own teaching, and I hope to have a small fraction of the impact on Hapkido that he has. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:44:41 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #481 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.