From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #496 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 25 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 496 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #494 the_dojang: Re: The (Shamelessly) Unofficial Taekwondo Hyung Resource Page the_dojang: Re: Instructor Requirements the_dojang: USTU Affiliation the_dojang: Traditional Patterns Re: the_dojang: Re: WTF absorbing others the_dojang: pre-forming? the_dojang: Taekwondo forms on-line video the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 920 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:51:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #494 In a message dated 7/24/00 8:27:35 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I didn't get that site to work, BTW. >> Yes, muscle is more dense than fat. Here is the correction for that site http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~jidokwan/forms/forms.html Lorraine New Jersey ------------------------------ From: "Karel van der Walt" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:53:46 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The (Shamelessly) Unofficial Taekwondo Hyung Resource Page Think I have done so before, but Great Job! I refer to your site a lot. Yes, did you know all of these forms at one or other time? Karel ------------------------------ From: "DREW" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:20:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Instructor Requirements >Now that I'm on the topic, what are the requirements for becoming an >officially recognized club by the WTF and ATA? I believe the requirements >for becoming an ITF sanctioned club is that, first off, the instructor must >be a minimum of 4th Dan and an ITF Interntional Instructor. Then theres an >agreement with the ITF regarding a variety of items (use of name, logo, >style to be taught, etc.). Mr. Martin do you have further details? For the ATA, the main requirements is going through the instructor program. Instuctor trainees wear a red collar, and are in the program, usually teaching classes or just assisting depending on how far they are through the program. Most new schools are sponsored by a Master level instructor to get the ball rolling. And in some cases, a more mature instructor trainee, may be allowed to open up a 'clinic' that trains for all material, but tests at a regular school, in front of certified judges, or more senior instructors. Instructors go to camp for certification, which I hear is tough. First move, first form, 45 minutes later, second move... with Masters correcting stances to the millimeter. Now that you warmed up with some forms.. on to sparring and ground fighting.... All in all it's typically a two or three year effort, but there are many terminal red collars out there. Most certified instructors are third degree's and up. Sounds like something I'd like to do eventually, but work, kids, and a hundred other projects always seem to interfere. Andrew 1st Degree ATA ------------------------------ From: "Carl W" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:49:05 MDT Subject: the_dojang: USTU Affiliation >From: Ray Terry >... The members of the WTF are the National Governing Bodies for >Taekwondo from the various countries around the world. Thus a country's >NGB >may be a WTF member, but not clubs/instructors/students. > >Ray Terry Thanks for the clarification, Ray. If I may ask the question properly now, what is the requirements of a club to becaome affiliated with the USTU? What about the ATA and GTF? Carl W. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Carl W" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:06:23 MDT Subject: the_dojang: Traditional Patterns > >From: Emactkd@aol.com > >Everyone doing the form exactly the same way? A single flavor, a single >texture? What a bore! I was once told that there are no such things as a "true invention", there is just an "innovation" for what there was before. Is there any benefit of learning a form as it was meant to be done by its creator? Isn't a pattern a way of practicing and rehearsing the proper execution of techniques thus, again giving the student insight into how the creator of the form interpreted the technique(s) and movement(s)? >It is the communication between us, the pursuit of martial art as a way to >make ourselves better, that makes it worthwhile. I prefer a seasoned >master, >with a lifetime of experience, over any static medium. > So true! An instructor certainly gives interpretation, understanding, and personality to a form. And innovation is what keeps things dynamic (and hopefully moving forward). Taekwon! Carl W. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: WTF absorbing others On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Brett Erwin wrote: > >how could the WTF absorb these organizations? The ATA is a US based > >organization and the ITF is based in where? Canada? Both of these countries > >allow for free trade. If the WTF tried absorbing these american orgs I > >believe we would then be looking at an anti trust suit. > > I beleive the original author was writing in hypothetical. If the ATA or ITF > agreed to be "absorbed" WTF is loose enough to let them continue to do what > they're doing. True or not, that the point he was making. > Yes, exactly! Thanks for pointing this out Brett. The only way for the WTF to "absorb" the ATA and ITF would be if each of these organizations were to ask to become part of the WTF. If that were to happen, I think they could work out the technical details. But, as the saying goes, when the ATA and/or ITF ask to join the WTF will be about when "hell freezes over"... Can't say about the likelyhood of a anti-trust suit. But, you should realize that many sports have a unified body that represents them. I think the martial arts are one example of a "sport" that has a less unified body. The Olympic committee actually *wants* there to be more uniformity in the martial arts organizations for Tae Kwon Do. They would rejoice if the ITF and ATA joined the WTF. The best the WTF can do however, is to have it fairly easy for anyone to compete even if they are from a different organization. > I think we're all quite sure that WTF/ITF/ATA will remain three separate entities > for a VERY long time. > Yes exactly. The philosophy/methodology/attitude built inside the ATA and ITF is such that they just wouldn't want to join the WTF -- even if the WTF allowed them "to do their own thing" and be a seperate entity. Erik Kluzek, (CGD at NCAR) National Center for Atmospheric Research Boulder CO, (off) (303)497-1326 (fax) (303)497-1324 - --------- Home page and public PGP key--------------- http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/~erik !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:10:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: pre-forming? > From: Meixner1@aol.com > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:14:19 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #490 > > Sarah, > You can learn your forms in advance here and brush up on old ones. I've noticed a lot of people out there writing about learning a form early. In my experience it's bad form ( pun intended ) to attempt to learn a form before your instructor shows it to you or allows someone else to. What's the concensus? Is it something that a lot of instructors feel comfortable with and allow, or do they just not say much about it? Does it have anything to do with a school's emphasis or de-emphasis on competition sparring? Kerry WT TKD ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:38:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo forms on-line video For those of you who are interested, I've added a web page with the Kukkiwon Taekwondo Poomse. Thought I'd share with everybody. I hope these can be of help. At some point in time, I'll be putting the older Taekwondo forms (Tangsoodo hyungs) or Pyung-ahn and yudanja set on my Tangsoodo page. I have to purchase a video input card first.... http://users.ev1.net/~D.McHenry/TaeKwonDo Yours in the arts, Master Mac ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:20:48 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #496 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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