From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #506 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 30 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 506 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #497 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #505 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #501 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest =lively and respected debates the_dojang: 2000 Hai Dong Gumdo Festival the_dojang: Mooye kwan/chun do kwan????? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 910 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:43:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #497 Master Timmerman: Your observations are very insightfull. I will, however, add a few more observations. In general, in many arts, there appear to be no connection between the many individual skills of the art and the "forms". They appear to be totally separate practices only to be learned and performed just for the sake of doing them. For exmaple, in ChoSon Kwon Bup the entire content of the art is derived from our "forms". The forms are the language of the art. When I teach forms I explore several applications and the underlying principles therein of each skill. Students are allowed to choose which application suits them and are even encouraged to develop applications of their own (as long as the principles remain intact). This way, they can truly own the art. After all, "art" implies self-expression. Martial arts such as Chen Tai Ji Chuan and Ba Gua Zhang thoroughly explores the intimate connection between the forms and combative aspects of them. They are not viewed as separate practices, but one and the same. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster Int'l ChoSonDo Federation ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:10:28 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #505 Ray wrote: >When I first began in Tang Soo Do we did all the basic kicks, blocks, strikes L>from day one. >It wasn't until I got into TKD that I first encountered the layering of >techniques. You weren't supposed to practice certain kicks or blocks >because they weren't techniques for your level. >I must say that I like the first method. But it seems to be a teaching >technique that probably works better with adult classes than classes of >children. ??? In those days there no kids in class. These days that >isn't the case... Exit lurk mode....I agree that this is a teaching method excellent for children, but I think it helps adults, too. Starting with a side kick, progressing to a reverse side kick and then spin hook kick seems to make the coordination easier for adults, too. Watching any student try to perform a spin hook kick that doesn't understand side kick....well, let's just say it leaves fewer "corrections" to the advanced technique if the student has a better foundation in the basic kicks. Having advanced through the color belt ranks at a school where the curriculum was "layered" in this manner may skew my opinion, though, I admit. However, I personally cannot imagine throwing a spin hook kick or butterfly round kick as a white belt. I had neither the coordination nor the physical conditioning to do it even remotely properly, and would probably have spent more time unlearning bad habits acquired thus. My ante for this particular pot.... Silke ------------------------------ From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:27:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #501 The issue of loyalty is an interesting one. Master Timmerman is correct in that the Korean masters who preach "Loyalty" are themselves suspect where this is concerned. Have any of you ever wonderred why so many of our Korean martial arts leaders never discuss their lineage. It is very rear to hear one talk of his teacher or even publicly demonstrate a relationship. Further, when they do discuss their lineage (teacher), there is misinformation and half truths. As for Mr. Pelligrini, I do not blame him one bit. He was only able to achieve what others allowed. By others I mean Master Wollmershauser (AHA), GM Garrison (WOMAF & KHF), GM Myung (WHF), and now GM Seo (Kido Hae). On a personal note, I became aware of him through GM James Garrison of WOMAF & KHF when I was consulted regarding is promotion to 2nd Dan. This was about 12 years ago. Otherwise, I have no problem with Mr. Pellegrini. I have found him to be respectfull and a gentleman. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster Int'l ChoSonDo Fed ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest =lively and respected debates I have been in the lurk mode for awhile. Have enjoyed reading the threads on loyalty and sparring. My comment is to provide kudos to posters who respectfully disagree without resorting to personal attacks. This is a refreshing occurrence. On another forum disagreements became flames and the moderator often took sides with the individuals whom he looked favorably upon (or those who sucked up to him). Kudos to Ray Terry for running a good list whereby freedom of thought is tolerated. Kudos to the posters for sharing their knowledge and experience. Note to Master Timmerman. I used to study Kuk Sool Won and I am familiar with your commments. In fact I recall a time when a bunch of California instructors were ready to abandon ship when they felt that a certain GM was not being loyal to them by taking all of their earnings. Also, hit me privately. I have a question about a former teacher of mine in Korea (Anthony Chang). Thanks, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:41:10 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: 2000 Hai Dong Gumdo Festival July 24th-26th saw a Korea-wide festival occur at the Yongpyong Resort in Kangwon Province. About 2300 Hai Dong Gumdo practitioners of all ages came to this Asian Winter Games site to compete and demonstrate their skills. For those who are interested, some highlights of the event are available on my website. This highlights page is not entirely complete so it will grow and change a bit over the next few days before I'm done tinkering with it. Currently available for viewing are 4 video clips from the opening ceremony displaying three different approaches to cutting and one demonstration duel. http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 Anthony Boyd ------------------------------ From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:03:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Mooye kwan/chun do kwan????? Yes, I am Chun DO Kwan when I first went to Korea I trained under Master Won,Kil Soo of yung pung DoJang of the Korea Hapkido association his master is Yu, He Chen the head of Chun-do -kwan. This was under the president of the KHA at this time was Kim, Woo Chong whom is also the owner of Dae woo Corp. Under the Master won I received the ranks up to fourth Dan as a lived and trained with him As a solider and I returned several times to live and train at his DoJang. When I was reassigned I was stationed in Texas Where I trained With Master Choi,Han Young his DoJang was Hapkido Chun Ki Do slightly different from what I learned in Korea but it was Hapkido just the same. I returned to Korea Several Times (5) visit and Train and every time i have ended up with Master Won or Master Yu, The curriculum i teach is the same that was taught by these two masters, Along with techniques i have learned from Master Choi, In 1985 i was approached by Myung,Kwang Sik of the WHF and helped his organization grow for many years I was tested for 5th Dan under his group and the 1990 instructor of the year, I have been a member of the Korea Hapkido association for 25 years. And it was suggested by Master Hwang Duk Kyu president of the KHA that we form our own Kwan it is kwan #479 Moyekwan of the KHA i had to submit all requirements to them for evaluation it was excepted by the Masters Board and we received the head of Moo-ye- kwan Title. I currently Hold the rank of seventh Dan under the kHA So in a sense I am Moyekwan and I will always be a chunkido Black belt and a brother of Chun do kwan these are my roots and I still hold these masters to very high regards as they do me. Hal ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:11:23 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #506 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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