From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #508 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 31 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 508 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Learning forms early the_dojang: Kyorugi Origins the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #507 the_dojang: Family "Practice" Re: the_dojang: Kyorugi Origins the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 910 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:01:13 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Learning forms early >------------------------------ > >From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" - ---original post deleted--- >I've noticed a lot of people out there writing about learning a form early. >In my experience it's bad form ( pun intended ) to attempt to learn a form >before your instructor shows it to you or allows someone else to. What's >the concensus? Is it something that a lot of instructors feel comfortable >with and allow, or do they just not say much about it? Does it have >anything to do with a school's emphasis or de-emphasis on competition >sparring? > >Kerry >WT TKD I'm catching up on some past reading; hopefully this hasn't been replied to endlessly and everyone is tired of hearing about it. In my school, I do not let my students learn forms early. Occasionally a student will be allowed an extra technique or two early if they are *clearly* very proficient with their current material and in danger of being "bored" (usually only for lower ranks), but never forms early. This doesn't have anything to do with tournaments at all in my opinion, whether the school emphasizes them or not. The forms are taught at different levels because they require different levels of experience. If one is not at that level, one should not be doing the form. If one *is* at that level, they should be promoted (or soon will be) and will be doing the form soon enough. IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "JASON SCHOFIELD" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:56:42 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Kyorugi Origins Hi! I'm impressed with the amount of knowledge that is available on this list! I was wondering if anyone could tell me which Kwan was the first to use the full-contact sparring format. I've also heard of a match between this first group and a Kyokushin dojo in which the Taekwondoin were victorious. Is this true? Any info would be appreciated? Jason Schofield ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:28:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #507 Does the World Hap Ki Do Council have a web site? ------------------------------ From: Jerry Lynde Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:19:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Family "Practice" Greetings all, I've been reading the digest for a few days now and am gratefully enjoying the discussions. I've been involved in quite a few email lists over the years and am quite impressed with the tone and content of the discussion so far. I'll be sticking around. :o) I wanted to ask the forum their opinion on something which has concerned me for a while. You see, my family has recently begun Tae Kwon Do. Our instructor is Kukkiwon certified and we study WTF style TKD. (as far as I know at this time...) I am a 7th Kyup and my wife and daughter are 8th Kyup. They are both completely new to MA, while I studied a traditional Karate style briefly in my youth (13-14). My concern is this: frequently throughout a given day, my daughter and wife will throw "play-kicks" at each other or me. I expect they're just playing around, meaning no harm, but it seems dangerous to me, especially since we are new to the Art and our self-control is not what it should be yet. The kicks are sometimes performed while the target isn't aware of the kick happening, which is to say, they'll kick each other's backs with no contact. In fact there is usually no contact, however accidents do happen. Up to now the kicks have always been roundhouse, but as time goes on they will begin practicing more advanced kicks, I'm sure. I haven't spoken to my instructor about this yet, as I don't wanted to get an outside opinion first. This forum seems a good place to do so. What do you people think? Should we keep the practicing in the dojang? Should we limit "random attacks" outside the dojang? Or should we eliminate them? Should we just take it in stride and deal with the accidents as they arise? Thanks for reading and thanks for your responses, Jerry Lynde ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:04:19 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kyorugi Origins > Hi! I'm impressed with the amount of knowledge that is available on > this list! I was wondering if anyone could tell me which Kwan was the first > to use the full-contact sparring format. I've also heard of a match between > this first group and a Kyokushin dojo in which the Taekwondoin were > victorious. Is this true? Any info would be appreciated? The Ji Do Kwan folks were early leaders in this area with the focus switch to speed training. They were so effective in this transition that many of their high school age competitors were beating the best college age competitors. This caused a new rule to be passed that would not permit a high school age figther from winning a national level (non-junior) championship. But this was during the beginning of the time that the Kwans were being less stressed and the focus was more on developing good Taekwondoin. Thus the instructors from the Ji Do Kwan that were making breakthroughs in the sparring area were viewed more as club coaches than kwangjangs. As for which Kwan was first, for full-contact sparring I suspect that came in with those with early Shotokan and Shodokan training. As for the use of the hogu, I -think- that started in the early-60s with as an idea of the KTA. ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:12:05 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #508 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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