From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #512 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 2 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 512 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #500 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #503 the_dojang: re: Kyorugi Origins the_dojang: Korea 2000 the_dojang: Alain B's Query the_dojang: Follow-Ups the_dojang: Female Martial Artists the_dojang: Play kicks; learning early..... the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 910 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:00:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #500 > > > From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:36:39 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: McDojang > > Dear Ray and List: > I am interested in opening a McDojang franchise in my town. How much do > you think I can net per year and whom shall I contact for a license? Will I > have to graduate from McDojang U.? Ahhh - you want fries with that sidekick? ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:04:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #503 > From: "Adam Gibson" > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:35:04 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Bill "Superfoot" Wallace Seminar > > Hi my name is Adam Gibson. I will be hosting a seminar conducted by the > "Lengendary" Bill "Superfoot" Wallace on Saturday, October 21st, 2000 at > 1pm. Keep the women away.... ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:48:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: Kyorugi Origins << Hi! I'm impressed with the amount of knowledge that is available on this list! I was wondering if anyone could tell me which Kwan was the first to use the full-contact sparring format. I've also heard of a match between this first group and a Kyokushin dojo in which the Taekwondoin were victorious. Is this true? Any info would be appreciated? Jason Schofield>> Hi everyone! I recently signed up, so I'll just introduce myself as a Kuk Sool practitioner. In regards to your question, the following is from an online book called "Jeri's Taekwondo Book", which I highly recommend. The URL is http://www.pipeline.com/~jeriwho/tkd.htm ~Daniel - --------------------------------------------------------- The early masters of tae kwon do had an enormous task before them. They had to revitalize the spirit of the nation of Korea. They had to disprove the Japanese cultural mindset that said that Koreans were inferior. And, as the country was wracked with war, most tae kwon do teachers wanted to repel Communism. Incredibly dedicated, fierce, loyal, and pro-American, the World Tae kwon do Federation (WTF) was born. The man who would become my first tae kwon do instructor, Billy Hong, was a war orphan when the Korean war ended. He made his way to Seoul, lived at the WTF headquarters, and trained every day. He once told a friend that all he did was clean the training hall, train vigorously for hours at a time, eat, and sleep, and then he did it all again, day after day, until he lost track of when it was day and when it was night. He lived to master the kicks of tae kwon do. Eventually, his hard work was rewarded, and he was chosen to go with three other young men to Japan to an international martial arts contest. This was the day they had waited for, and each young man felt that the honor of the Korean nation rested on him. It was the early 1960's, and in those days competitions among martial artists were dangerous and could be deadly. Men occasionally were killed in karate competition, and injury was certainly a common risk. The young Korean men came to the tournament and were treated coldly by their hosts, but their instructions had been precise. They were to behave well. There must be no hint of a bad attitude. The Japanese fighters had fallen into the trap that takes down so many. They had no respect for the small team from Korea, and they had never bothered to study Korean fighting theory. Japanese karate styles in those days emphasized close-in fighting. The punch was everything. Fighters tended to move in straight lines back and forth as they attacked, parried, counter attacked. Many Japanese styles in 1962 did not even use the roundhouse kick, and the back kick was completely unknown except as a technique to stomp the shin or instep. Conversely, tae kwon do fighters, with much more fluid hip motion, kicked high with roundhouse kicks, spun off to the side rather than straight back, and flipped their hips in quick turns the other way to shoot out high, powerful back kicks. Whereas martial arts contests had been back-and-forth contests, the Koreans turned the fighting ring into a battlefield, in which attacks could come from anywhere. All four Korean men did very well, and Billy Hong made it as far as the semi-finals. He had been careful to behave well, and his incredible ability to sidestep, to come around with a turning kick faster than his Japanese opponent could come in and punch, had amazed onlookers. Within a day or two, the Koreans had knocked apart the claims that kicks had to be slower than punches and that spinning and turning kicks lost power as they traveled. In the semi final match, Hong's opponent rushed straight towards him, and Billy Hong jumped into the air, jerked his hips over, and shot his leg into the man's face. It was a jump back kick that he'd used to smash roofing tiles and bricks. It hit like a piece of concrete on the end of a battering ram. The kick threw the man over and knocked him to the ground. It had smashed his upper palate and knocked his teeth out in a hail of blood and debris. He went into shock and started having convulsions. Billy Hong, thinking he might just be lynched by the crowd, remembered his orders and knelt down by his opponent. He was terrified, but he calmly said, "You'll be all right, friend. You'll be all right." and patted the man's back. Second to his fear of being lynched was his fear that the judges would think he had a bad attitude and disqualify him. The wounded man was taken to a hospital, and Hong's next scheduled opponent is said to have simply bowed out of the final rounds. "You win," he told the young Korean. And Billy Hong, barely twenty years old, had taken first place in a Japanese martial arts competition. The team returned to Seoul Korea, and grateful admirers threw them a ticker tape parade. Years later, Billy Hong would tell us that he left Korea a nobody and returned a national hero. Tae kwon do had proved itself in its first contest of international competition. But Billy Hong had set his sights on a new conquest. He wanted to bring tae kwon do to the United States. It took another two years, but in 1964 he secured the necessary papers, located a former US Army officer who had befriended him during the war, and settled in Anderson South Carolina where he enrolled in college. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "G. Booth" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:09:30 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Korea 2000 Hi all, I just wanted to drop a quick message to the list to say that the 2000 Korea/China trip went well with Dr He-Young Kimm, Master JR West, Master R West, Master Jere Hilland and assorted Black Belts of the USKMAF and the Australian Hapkido Group. I believe that Jere will post a later trip report in more detail by the end of the week. Needless to say we covered around 60% of Korea in our travels and then we did a quick China tour all in 10 days. A major hilight included a visit to Yong Sul Choi's (Hapkido forefather) grave, with one of his original students. (I think that we may have been the first Australian Hapkidoists ever to visit his grave. Each group had the chance to pay respect and to get some photo's. I want to thank Dr Kimm for his great insights and the many hours we had to talk about Korean history and Korean martial arts history. I am looking forward to catching up with everyone at Master Wests clinic in February. Regards from the Australian Hapkido Group. Geoff J. Booth ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:21:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Alain B's Query Alain... To add to McD's list of practical applications which pretty much duplicated (though I never thought about the elevator...Kansas is flat...you only need to stand on your tip toes to see Canada) my thoughts...I would also like to see practical training methods for speed, timing, and focus to stop an attack long before it is completed...as well as learning to read your opponent by looking in their eyes, watching their movements, observing how they carry themselves, i.e. the psychology of a potential attacker...these are things I try to put into my instruction, but I have never seen nor heard of any good videos or books which present these aspects...especially the psychological aspect...of course I may just be keeping myself in a cave too much...at least the bats are friendly... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:42:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Follow-Ups Here's a thought for all of you...well...ok...it's a question...how many of you instructors teach follow-up methods to self defense techniques that don't work? I have been in seminars and with other instructors that teach the false-hoods..."ANYONE can do this!"...and "This will work ALL the time"...I have found that they do not teach follow-up methods for those cases where everyone CAN'T do this and it DOESN'T work all the time...if both of these statements were true, everyone would be doing it and we would all learn one technique because it always works...see what I am getting at?... Examples: In teaching self-defense techniques I am often called over by someone that can't get something to work on their partner...if I can get it to work I try to correct the method of application...if I can't, I immediately do a follow-up technique that is applicable...it may take two follow-ups on occasion...and in the case of you former/present Marines...you folks have no nerve endings do you?...One of my Black Belts is a former Marine and I used him for demonstration...he would just stand there while I applied joint locks and pressure point techniques...I had to tell him to fake it to get the point across...I don't think he bleeds either... Anyway...everyone has different abilities, reflexes, and responses...Opinions?...Comments?...Suggestions?...I would like to hear of some of the follow-ups that you prefer in situations where the first method fails...let's say (keeping it simple) a wrist lock...or any other techniques you have to offer... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:53:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Female Martial Artists Jennifer... I do not know of your current environment in Martial Arts, but females have always been considered worthy opponents and competitors since I started in 1979...just like their male counterparts, there are those who are exceptional, those who are better than average, those who are good, and those who are not so good...pretty even from all I have seen and encountered...my after class sparring partner while I was still a Gup was a most worthy, capable, and competent female and I had some excellent female senior ranks to train with and from which to learn...perhaps it's just my personal perspective of things, but recognition of female martial artists is not a new occurrence...train hard and give other females (as well as males) an example to follow and from which to learn... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.C.?=" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Play kicks; learning early..... Play kicks: I am new to taekwon-do myself and I can't help but walk around and throw kicks when I'm at home. I am quite certain that I am not the only one that does this. I think it's harmless. Learning kicks early: At the dojang I go to, it's more or less a layered technique. It should be that way, in my opinion. Whenever you learn something new, you have to take it bit by bit or there's information overload. Learn your kicks, perfect your kicks, anything more is just impatience. I also feel the same way for patterns. Learn the pattern and perfect it, what's the point of knowing a whole mess of them when you can't do them very well. Even when you think you have your own pattern perfected, you go to the class before the test and there's still corrections being done. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 7:01:11 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #512 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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