From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #514 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 2 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 514 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Follow Ups the_dojang: Re: Paul Lynde the_dojang: Master Wahlen the_dojang: thank you all! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #512 the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #513 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 910 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:16:32 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Follow Ups Kim Farral asked: >Here's a thought for all of you...well...ok...it's a question...how >many >of you instructors teach follow-up methods to self defense >techniques that > don't work? I have taught follow-ups to joint locks, pressure point strikes, etc. AFTER the student has put time in learning the basic technique. For some reason, when students begin to learn ho sin sool they find it dificult (at times) making the transition to working with a partner. It's one thing to do step sparring or free sparring with someone. It's another thing to grab their arm and put them in a come-along. There needs to be some cooperation between the partners at first so the technique can be LEARNED and so that no one gets injured. >I have been in seminars and with other instructors that teach the >false-hoods..."ANYONE can do this!"...and "This will work ALL the time"...I >have found that they do not teach follow-up methods for >those cases where >everyone CAN'T do this and it DOESN'T work all the >time...if both of these >statements were true, everyone would be doing >it and we would all learn >one technique because it always works...see >what I am getting at?... Well, just because something will ALWAYS work doesn't mean everyone WILL figure it out ;). That being said... What I have found is that some techniques will work A LOT of the time, some will work a lot of the time after the student puts in a lot of PRACTICE, and some will work if the student is just really awesome. I'm not a BIG fan of this last category. >Examples: In teaching self-defense techniques I am often called over >by >someone that can't get something to work on their partner...if I >can get >it to work I try to correct the method of application...if I >can't, I >immediately do a follow-up technique that is applicable...it >may take two >follow-ups on occasion... Heh, heh. There was one night in class at my instructor's school where I was demonstrating how to do a throw. Some of the students were having trouble getting it down. So my instructor had me demonstrate it on THEM. I threw every student in class except one. Just couldn't get it to work. On the third try I just swept him and told the rest of the class, "Sometimes you've got to improvise." :) However, I was sure glad I had successfully thrown everyone else. You have to make sure it's a question of "It didn't work THIS time," not "It never seems to work." >and in the case of you former/present Marines...you folks have no >nerve >endings do you?...One of my Black Belts is a former Marine and I >used him >for demonstration...he would just stand there while I applied >joint locks >and pressure point techniques...I had to tell him to fake >it to get the >point across...I don't think he bleeds either... I HATE those guys :) >Anyway...everyone has different abilities, reflexes, and > >responses...Opinions?...Comments?...Suggestions?...I would like to >hear >of some of the follow-ups that you prefer in situations where the >first >method fails...let's say (keeping it simple) a wrist lock...or >any other >techniques you have to offer... Everybody DOES have different abilities, and different things effect different people. You might want to remind the students that not even a punch or a kick works every time (darn blocks!). As for favorite follow-ups, it really depends on the technique. In general I think apply a lock of hold AFTER you have stunned or otherwise distracted the opponent with a strike could be helpful. Might also diminish the need for a follow up. Didn't Ueshiba Sensei utilize this tactic during his earlier "Aiki Budo" days? I remember my instructor demonstrating a lock as a counter to a lapel grab. By grabbibg the hand of the opponent he caused them to momentarily look at what he was doing. Then they were down. A good distraction. It's kind of like feinting with the left and connecting with the right. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: JBoorstein@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:31:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Paul Lynde Paul Lynde, the infamous center square of the original Hollywood Squares, did indeed die a couple of years ago. What he might have said about a bunch of people running around in white pyjamas is anyone's guess. JB ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:49:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Master Wahlen I just wanted to say I, did not see the post questioning Hal's credentials, so I cannot comment on that. I would like to comment on him as a Hapkidoist. Hal, was promoted because of his skill not because of who he know's. It was a case of what he knows not who that allowed him to form the Moo Ye Kwan and bring it to a recognizable status. Hal, has made numerous sacrafices in the name of training and deserves the respect that he gets from his students and fellow Hapkidoist. He has trained in Korea and the United States with many well known Grandmasters and Masters alike. I know that he recieved his 3rd dan from Grandmaster Choi, Han Young back in the early 1980's and is considered a Chun Ki Hapkido brother by the World Chun Ki Association and is to be considered a leader among his students and peers. I nor anyone else need to defend or explain Master Hal Whalen's credentials. I know for a fact that he would be more than happy to give anyone questioning his skill a class or two absolutly free of charge. Grandmaster Dan Rogers 8th Dan Chun Ki Hapkido President/ World United Hapkido Association Vice President/ World Chun Ki Association 1998 Hall of fame World Karate Union ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:48:48 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: thank you all! Many thanks to all who responded to my query about sparring - I have lots of tips now for me to work on over the next few months! Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: Tkdalpha@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:18:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #512 In a message dated 8/2/00 9:44:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Incredibly dedicated, fierce, loyal, and pro-American, the World Tae kwon do Federation (WTF) was born. The man who would become my first tae kwon do instructor, Billy Hong, was a war orphan when the Korean war ended. He made his way to Seoul, lived at the WTF headquarters, and trained every day. >>>>>>>> I didn't know there was WTF in 1960. I thought WTF was established in early 70's. Ted ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:18:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Whalen I said something about a kwan of hapkido and i mentioned Master Whalens name. I'm not sure if i'm who you are referring to, in reference to questioning this man's credentials. If so, i apologize, that was not my intent. My thread was about hapkido chung do kwan, which i found out was chun do kwan. once again, if my thread made you feel this way, i humbly apologize. frank ------------------------------ From: TSDTiger@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:31:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #513 Master Booth, I am glad that your trip to Korea with Master Kim and Master west went so well. Peg and I will look forward to the details on the USKMAF web sight. I also hope that you made a typo when you talked about seeing everyone again in February at the USKMAF seminar. Did you mean August? According to the flyer you are featured as one of the attending instructors at the August event in Jackson Mississippi. Hope we see you there as the last seminar was very informative and a whole lot of fun! Joe & Peggy Clarke Pathway Martial Arts Atlanta, GA ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:15:13 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #514 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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