From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #528 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 8 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 528 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art the_dojang: new search engine the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #526 the_dojang: dynamic stretching the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joel S. Weissler" Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:13:28 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 Hmmm -- the discussion regarding the recent Hitman book makes me very nervous. I hear the anti-gun control echo "guns don't kill - people do" applied in reverse. Do any of you want to hear it read "people don't kill - information does" Would any of you require a permit to carry or transfer information ? Our beloved Korean style martial arts were devastated in Korea by making the teaching of native defense arts illegal by the Japanese during their occupation of Korea. I may despise those who even play at having a low regard for human life, but I will fight to preserve their right to talk about their perspective and teach their methods. Of course I will also stand up to defend against them if they attempt to harm others who disagree with them. Do any of you remember the underground 'anarchists cookbook' ? Recipes for drugs to bombs -- should that have been banned. It wasn't. Did it increase the harm to people in this world? I doubt it. I urge all of you to seriously consider and steer away from any instincts to ban the transmittal of information from one human to another. The broad fences around core freedoms spelled out in the Constitution and in Federal Court Cases are for good reason. Respectfully, Joel S. Weissler ------------------------------ From: Warlockery@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:43:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art Ken McDonough, I disagree with your views that TKD is not effective for street fighting. Like many martial arts, they hold to the "art" part of it, and therefore keep the kicks high and wide, because it looks better. But many masters (including mine) emphasize that in a street fight, that all kicks should be low, and to either the knee-cap or groin, depending on situation. We just don't do low kicks in class because low kicks do not take much skill, and flexibility is needed in many of our students. ..............................iain... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:07:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: new search engine Our site, your site, http://www.martialartsresource.com is now using a new search engine. I installed it today and so hopefully it will work okay for y'all. The new engine allows one to search through more files (2300+ on The_Dojang side and 2100+ on the Eskrima side) in less time than before. With the old engine we had reached its max limit. Please let me know if you encounter any problems. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:02:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #526 >From: MissIllona@aol.com >Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:57:37 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Congrats > >In a message dated 8/6/00 7:31:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > ><< Congratulations to Lindsey Dietz of Haney Martial Arts on her promotion > to 1st Dan Blackbelt. >> > >My congratulations go out to her as well. I am glad she has had that type >of >training there with you. That is excellent! > >Illona > >------------------------------ I agree, but why wait until right before the test? Why not make it part of the regular curriculum? ~Daniel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:12:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: dynamic stretching I followed Kurtz's program for a while, until I started experiencing sharp pain doing the isometric stretching. I wonder if it has to do with what you mention below. I'm kind of reluctant to start experimenting again though. At any rate I still do his Early Morning Stretch. It helps get me going in the morning. :) ~Daniel >------------------------------ > >From: Erik Kluzek >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:02:52 -0600 (MDT) >Subject: the_dojang: Stretching question... > >Question about stretching... > > Recently, I've modified my stretching regimen to follow the guidelines >given in "Stretching Scientifically", by Thomas Kurtz M.Sc. (he's the guy in >black belt magazine that does the side splits between chairs). A basic >overview is as follows: > > Morning stretching consisting of leg raises (dynamic stretching). > > Warm-up as follows: > > Joint rotations > Aerobic activity > Dynamic stretching > > (with the most intense stretching coming after the workout) > > List member Jim Floyd, pointed out to me that dynamic stretching without >passive stretching to prepare muscles can often lead to injury. So I >re-examined >the part of Kurtz book that talks about warm-up stretching. He says "static >stretching as part of the warm-up is counterproductive". Now, isometric >stretching >is counterproductive because it's hard on the muscles and wears them out >before your workout. Ok, so that's straight forward. He also doesn't recommend >static >relaxed stretching since "muscles can't work for a few seconds afterward, >and it >has a relaxation effect and can actually make you sleepy". So not really a >big deal. > > Now, I also looked up Brad Appleton's Stretching and Flexibility FAQ and >he does put static relaxed stretching before dynamic stretching. And goes on >by saying "It is important that static stretches be performed before any >dynamic >stretches in your warm-up. Dynamic stretching can often result in >overstretching, >which damages the muscles. Performing static stretches first will help >reduce this risk of injury." (pg 27). This is exactly what Jim Floyd told me. > > Ok, so Brad Appleton's FAQ contradicts Kurtz book. Those that follow >Kurtz method, do you modify it to add static stretching? Have you had any >problems with over stretching? Should I modify the morning stretching >routine? >If I start out slowly with the dynamic stretching does that help allieviate >these problems? Are there references that go into more detail about >potential >problems with doing dynamic stretching without static relaxed first? > > Overall, I still want to follow Kurtz method. If I follow it as closely >as possible I should expect the results he talks about. If I don't follow >it, all >I can say is that I didn't follow directions. No matter what you think about >Kurtz he does display impressive results. And he shows a lot of pictures of >people >of all ages using his method to achieve the same. So he can't be wrong on >everything. But, it does look like he's wrong on this point... > >Thanks > >Erik Kluzek >Boulder CO >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 04:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art Dave: I think your points are valid. The counter argument is this: a. Muay Thai employs knees, elbows, and shots to the stomach using kicks and punches. This is effective in a street situation. b. Grappling arts practice what you use outside. c. Several believe that the point scoring approach of TKD and the emphasis of scoring with shots to only certain points of the body do not lend itself as well to the street. I take a neutral position. However, if I had to choose between learning street fighting skills from a Muay Thai artist vs. a TKD artist, I would choose the former. Since he is trained to use elbows and knees for hitting all parts of the body then this appears to be a better "in the street" application. Honestly, can you compare a Muay Thai fight compared to TKD tournaments. To me it is a different mindset. Similarly, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu became the rage when the Gracies where able to take apart stand up fighters using TKD techniques. In sum, the theory is to be at least aware of all fighting ranges. This does not detract from a specific art but merely suggests that one art is not the total answer. Personally, I also believe a good boxing can be highly effective against a TKD expert since a boxer is taught how to take punches. In contrast, many TKD practitioners are schooled on "tap tap" and step back to see if you scored a point. It is a different mindset. If you can take punches and use your arms/hands, along with a few grappling skills I think you become a formidable opponent. Now, before the TKD zealots get all over me I do not denigrate TKD. I am discussing different perspectives applied to survival in the street. Finally, yes, a Korean Master can place certain kicks to your head as fast as a baseball pitch. But, we are talking about the common man in the street. Not a Korean Master. McD... - --- Dave Murray wrote: > From: Rick Kirkham >> So you show them how to fight in a tournament, they get killed in the street >> (asuuming TKD is for martial sports as most TKD I've run into is). > > What is it that causes people to say/think this? Muay Thai is > a sport, but is considered "street effective." The old adage > is, "It you are going to a fight, have a judoka with you", > Judo is a sport, respected in the street. Boxers are > considered street worthy, boxing is a sport. Grappling is all > the rage, wrestling is a sport. Why do you think that TKD is > somehow not street worthy because of it's sporting emphasis > when other sporting arts are not generally diss'd? > > As for head kicking, I've seen it pulled off effectively. > > Peace, > Dave (yes, TKD was the first art I became a dan holder in, but > this is not a partisan question) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 6:51:27 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #528 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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