From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #529 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 8 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 529 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: TKD as Street Art the_dojang: Re: Hit Man movie the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 the_dojang: re: tkd self defense the_dojang: test/training the_dojang: Heavy Bags for Kicking and Striking the_dojang: Re: Anarchists Cookbook the_dojang: new KTA in Korea the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 950 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:59:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD as Street Art << We just don't do low kicks in class because low kicks do not take much skill, and flexibility is needed in many of our students. >> I used to think when I was young training in TKD that when I saw people throw low kicks that "it would be easy for me to adapt to low kicking". However you will fight like how you train. 21 years later of training in various arts(I hold instructor ship in some) Saying you can and being able to do, especially in a street confrontation, are 2 different things. If we practice punching to body all the time, can we say we are very effective a face punching, its timing, targets and follow ups? I have seen many TKD players, no disrespect, not do very well at this transition. It is just not what they are trained to do effectively. If we learned to have proper combinations from modern competition drills, why do we not see them in Muay Thai and the reverse? If we played Judo vs another grappling art, a throw is still a throw, the way they practice it and such, however, Sport Karate, Olympic TKD, Muay Thai and Filipino Kicking very much differ since they have different "goals" in which they train. I simply can't be a Wing Chun person, those familiar will know what I mean, who predominantly stays grounded for a front kick can't simply say, "well I can slide up a do a roundhouse if I wanted to". They have to practice it THAT way. I don't know if this makes sense to anyone. By the way, I teach both Muay Thai and TKD in my school along with Filipino martial Arts and Capoeira. NOTE: I actually was attempting at low kicks for street in the TKD, many who do not cross train in the Muay Thai, and they were NOT able to grasp the concept as easily as you think. Then again, my Muay Thai fighters CANNOT do NADOBAN(sp?). Sorry for a long rambling. Ace Ramirez ------------------------------ From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:41:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hit Man movie Blaming a book that someone used to kill someone is illogical. First, the book couldn't have been that good, because the so-called Hitman who used it to plan the murder was caught, and I believe was sentenced to death. I have never read the book in question, but reading about a subject doesn't automatically make you an expert in the subject. If that was true, I'd be a Black Belt from reading Bruce Tegnar's books! Second, this person didn't read the book, then decide to commit the crime. The intent was there from the beginning. At what point is it the person's fault that they committed a crime? Most of the time, committing a serious crime is a deliberate act. People do not 'accidentally' commit armed bank robberies or mug someone. Knowledge used in the wrong way is ALWAYS dangerous. We all know things, that, if used wrongly, will cause either serious damage or death to someone or something. That's how computer viruses work -- they exploit a mistake in a program or operating system. Only someone who knows computers and the software can create a virus to take advantage of that mistake. Does that mean that computer knowledge is wrong? No. Only the way it is used. Look at the Martial Arts. No matter how it is styled, couched or delivered, someone with the right knowledge can kill or cripple an opponent with frightening ease. That's why so many systems drill into their students the basic moral tenant to never use this knowledge capriciously. Without this basic underlying foundation, the martial artist is no better then a thug. If a student does use this knowledge in the wrong way, after being constantly being told not to, is it the instructor's fault? No. It is the student's fault, and it is the student who must take the responsibility for their own actions. Knowledge is a two edged sword: Always has been, always will be. It can't be withheld or destroyed, or even forgotten. It is up to the individual to decide how to use that knowledge and take any consequences that arise from those decisions. I'm rambling again.... Craig ------------------------------ From: Meixner1@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:56:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 There is a Master in Oklahoma with the name of Chung. He came from Korea about ten years ago. He is WTF certified as 7th dan, and owns and teaches at his school while attending OU. In a message dated 8/7/00 7:38:19 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:40:27 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: tkd self defense > > I teach Hapkido at a Korean owned and run TKD Dojang, it is kind of unique > in the fact that Master Chung( who owns the Dojang), is affiliated with > Chungnam College in Seoul. His instructor and brother in law, GM Lee K.J., > is a professor at this college in South Korea and teaches TKD there. Master > Chung has a set up where TKD Masters come from Korea and stay with him for > months on end and teach TKD in the Dojang. At this moment there are 6 > Korean Masters teaching at his Dojang right now. I'll tell you one thing, > these guys can kick and punch, I have no doubt that these Masters and many > others that I have witnessed at our Dojang can kick at least 80% of all > people in the head before they could react,,, in a nutshell, these guys are > fast and strong. I have no doubt whatsoever that they can use TKD for self > defense with no problem. > > Michael Tomlinson > ------------------------------ From: Ray Simmons Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:07:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: re: tkd self defense Michael- Where is your school located? I sudied under a Master Chung back in the mid 70s in Chicago and I'm trying to locate my old master. Thanks - -Ray >From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:40:27 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: tkd self defense >I teach Hapkido at a Korean owned and run TKD Dojang, it is kind of unique >in the fact that Master Chung( who owns the Dojang), is affiliated with >Chungnam College in Seoul. His instructor and brother in law, GM Lee K.J., >is a professor at this college in South Korea and teaches TKD there. Master >Chung has a set up where TKD Masters come from Korea and stay with him for >months on end and teach TKD in the Dojang. At this moment there are 6 >Korean Masters teaching at his Dojang right now. I'll tell you one thing, >these guys can kick and punch, I have no doubt that these Masters and many >others that I have witnessed at our Dojang can kick at least 80% of all >people in the head before they could react,,, in a nutshell, these guys are >fast and strong. I have no doubt whatsoever that they can use TKD for self >defense with no problem. >Michael Tomlinson - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:27:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: test/training In a message dated 8/8/00 6:32:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I agree, but why wait until right before the test? Why not make it part of the regular curriculum? ~Daniel ______ >> I would love to make scenario/application training a part of the curriculum, but it is not my school. The instructor is considering having me teach an 'application' class soon, when scheduling permits. I'll let you all know how it goes. Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: SecOfDef@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:39:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Heavy Bags for Kicking and Striking I've been considering purchasing a heavy bag to practice with but am not sure what kind to get. There are those that hang from the ceiling, and those that sit on the floor... there are weights from 40 pounds to 120 pounds. I'm training in Taekwondo, so I need a bag that will be of use for both kicking and striking. What makes a good bag? What kind do you use and how do you like it? Perhaps someone might be willing to share some bag drills? Much appreciated, Sam Rochester, MN ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:05:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Anarchists Cookbook While this book was not banned, if memory serves there were several bombs made from the plans in this book, and a few mailboxes here were destroyed with this information. I believe there was also a few injuries attribute to these weapons. While I respect the First Amendment, there are many who would use this amendment to cause harm.. for example my recent run ins with someone who claime I was affiliated with someone issuing fake KTA dan certificates. (Which is amusing to me as I teach Tang Soo Do, but ok :)) Basically, one's rights do not extend to where they may be harmful to another, such as Libel, Slander and Defamation of Character, or where said information could cause bodily harm. I am a proponent of the Guns don't kill, people do, but this is a little different. Guns, and the possession of them is illegal in certain circumstances, for public safety.For example, Felons nor minors may possess them. I personally think there is nothing we can about negative information being dissemated, but what we CAN do is be good instructors and set positive examples for youth. I believe this is where the majority of readers would come from anyhow. While it may not be much, or atleast seem like much, I think that in working in harmony with each other, we can make a difference. We won't know unless we try. While there are many of us who do try, to those who don't... what are you waiting for? Frank (Fake Tang Soo Do teacher: couldn't resist guys! :)) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:58:08 PDT Subject: the_dojang: new KTA in Korea > .. for example my recent run ins with someone who > claime I was affiliated with someone issuing fake KTA dan certificates. > (Which is amusing to me as I teach Tang Soo Do, but ok :)) Must be that new Korean TSD Association... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:00:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #529 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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