From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #530 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 8 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 530 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Hit Man the_dojang: Voltaire the_dojang: Re: New TSD Association the_dojang: Re: How much do you really need? [was Comments on one readers idea about TKD as eff the_dojang: Re: Taking the heat needlessly but expected (for Warlock) the_dojang: Re: Heavy Bags,Eqipment,etc.- for Sam the_dojang: Hapkido eagle the_dojang: Fwd: Re: Heavy Bags,Equipment,etc.; addendum the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 950 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lester, Charles (LNG)" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:24:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hit Man > From: Tom Marker > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:44:19 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Paladin Press (Was Hit Man Movie) > > Funny this was brought up... I believe that this book was featured in an > ABC report by John Stossel last week on Freedom of Speech. In it, I > believe > they mentioned that the book was actually written by a housewife who > learned > everything from the movies and TV. Should we ban "The Sopranos" or the > "Godfather" series? > > My point (in a roundabout way) is that where do we draw the line? This > book is a piece of crap, perhaps. But we have to apply the same freedoms > to it that we would any other text. If we take this one "reasonable" step > and ban the book, how do we know the next "reasonable" step won't be to > ban videos, or MA books, or firearms training, or even your Dojang. After > all, we allknow the possible lethality of our techniques. "If it saves the > life of just one child..." after all. > > From: ABurrese@aol.com > Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:06:11 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hit Man Book and movie > But I hope you are not basing all of your opinions on the movie. Have you > read Hit Man? Do you know the other side? > Anyway, here's the problem. IF you start taking away what a publisher can > print, where does it stop? There are novel out there that you can learn > from, should those authors or publishers be sued if someone copies what is > in the book and kills someone? What about movies? > And I still think the first amendment should trump other things and the > free passing of information should be allowed. Sorry, I just can't keep out of this one any longer. I agree with the comments about responsibility, but I also agree with Tom and Alain (I guess I missed Dave's post). My first comment is that before you make any judgment about the book, you should get your facts firsthand, not from a TV movie, and not from the reports in the news media. (A) Movie: Understand that a movie is fiction, even if it is based on fact. It is designed to entertain. Therefore it is not designed to be an accurate representation of the facts. For several examples, see the rewriting of history by Oliver Stone in his movies. (B) Media: Understand that the purpose of the media is to sell advertising space and (especially TV) to entertain. The accurate representation of facts is secondary to these two issues. Unless you get an opportunity to compare what you actually observed against what was actually reported, you really won't appreciate that there often is a BIG difference. I see it all the time when reading new media reports of some verdict a jury gives that sound ridiculous when you read the media report, but if you actually take the time to read the court's actual decision, it makes perfect sense. Why? Because a reasonable ruling won't cause people to go out and buy a paper, watch the TV news (and the corresponding advertisements), etc. And I have personally experienced it when I've spent 8+ hours in a courtroom trying a case, then go home and watch a TV news report of what went on in that courtroom that day, and the report doesn't comes real close to being a statistic (the third type of lie: lies, damn lies, and statistics :-() So I believe what I hear or see in the media once I do some independent checking of my own. Historians call it using primary as opposed to secondary sources. (sorry, end of rant :-) My second comment is that someone, I think Jefferson, may have said that people don't lose their freedoms all at once. They lose them gradually. The surest way to lose our freedoms is to start suppressing the freedoms of people we dislike or disagree with. And don't get me started on our suit-happy country. And since the top is Hit Man....... Charles Lester ================== Tired of constantly being broke, and stuck in an unhappy marriage, a young husband decided to solve both problems by taking out a large insurance policy on his wife (with himself as the beneficiary), and arranging to have her killed. A "friend of a friend" put him in touch with a nefarious underworld figure by the name of Artie. Artie explained to the husband that his going price for snuffing out a spouse was $5,000. The husband said he was willing to pay that amount, but that he wouldn't have any cash until he could collect his wife's insurance money. Artie insisted on being paid SOMETHING up front. The man opened up his wallet, displaying the single dollar bill that rested inside. Artie sighed, rolled his eyes, and reluctantly agreed to accept the dollar as down payment for the dirty deed. A few days later, Artie followed the man's wife to the local Safeway grocery store. There, he surprised her in the produce department and proceeded to strangle her with his gloved hands. As the poor unsuspecting woman drew her last breath and slumped to the floor, the manager of the produce department stumbled unexpectedly onto the scene. Unwilling to leave any witnesses behind, Artie had no choice but to strangle the produce manager as well. Unbeknownst to Artie, the entire proceedings were captured by hidden cameras and observed by the store's security guard, who immediately called the police. Artie was caught and arrested before he could leave the store. Under intense questioning at the police station, Artie revealed the sordid plan, including his financial arrangements with the hapless husband. And that is why, the next day in the newspaper, the headline declared, "ARTIE CHOKES TWO FOR A DOLLAR AT SAFEWAY." ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:37:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Voltaire In a message dated 8/8/00 6:32:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > I may despise > those who even play at having a low regard for human life, but I will > fight to preserve their right to talk about their perspective Good paraphrase Joel; shades of, was it, Voltaire? SESilz ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:05:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: New TSD Association Hehe Ray, you are right!! just teasing. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: How much do you really need? [was Comments on one readers idea about TKD as eff Well stated. Crisp analysis. Brief response. As my body as grown older I can't kick as high as the youngins who do those fancy smancy board breaking techniques. Can't do those jumping over 5 people and hit the board routine. Can't and don't like to break a board doing a side kick, turn and break a board doing a back kick, then turn and break a board doing a front snap kick. Can't stretch as much as I used to...but I can do the following: - - Use my elbows, fists, knees, and head; throw a few hooks, jabs, uppercuts - - Use joint locks - - Use low level kicks - - Use a few throwing techniques - - Use a few combat strategy techniques if need be - - Using an expanding baton or stick So, that is my focus for now. That focus is borrowed from several martial arts that I either studied or have watched. Also like the Arnis/Escrima knife techniques. Now, don't get me wrong. I have studied the traditional Korean Martial Arts and the foundation is there. But, also enjoy an eclectic approach using some of the tools available. I am not into tournaments or the various sanctioning bodies but respect those who do follow that path. Just an average guy, looking for a progressive approach to martial arts employing both traditional and modern Western techniques. McD... - --- Dave Murray wrote: > Have you noticed that when you hear stories of the masters of > old you hear things like, "he was the master of the crushing > fist" or some such thing. We really should be trying to > master something, and it should be something suitable for us > and in harmony with our nature, temperament, body type, etc. > How many different things do you need to defend yourself? If > you master something, you can use it for many things. > > The serious question is, is their harmony in your > training/art? Does your study of movement contribute to you > method for application? In other words, if you train to fight > in a way that has nothing to do with the movements of your > forms, no harmony/synergy, what will your 'instant response to > sudden attack' be? > > I think that 'how many techniques your art has' is less > relevant than 'how many things can you do with any of your > techniques'? If you have 'many techniques/weapons', are they > fully integrated so that one becomes the other without > beginning or end? > > The trouble that I see is that many 'combat oriented arts' > neglect building a proper foundation. That is every bit as > big a problem as arts that fail to make their martial art a > fighting art. Both of those scenarios lead to something that > will break down under stress. We all need to address those > issues, regardless of our 'style'. > > Peace, > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Taking the heat needlessly but expected (for Warlock) Warlock stated, in part: Response: Glad to see you have your cognitive juices flowing. First, I did not state that TKD is not an effective art. I quoted another author who believed that it was not the most effective art--in the street. His analysis was that what you practice in the Dojang extrapolates out in the field, i.e., the street. You confirm this point by stating "...we just don't do low kicks in class because low kicks do not take much skill..." This reminds me of my high school basketball coach back in the sixties (am I dating myself). He said practice what you use on the court. In the heat of battle that is what you will use. So I follow that advice and do those low kicks against the bag because as you said "low kicks do not take much skill". I know my lack of skill will come in handy when I have a confrontation with a low skill thug in the street who wants my money or my life. McD... P.S. Just having fun, y'all. No disrespect to any art or individual. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Heavy Bags,Eqipment,etc.- for Sam A good question arose, re: Response: It depends on your budget and space. Here is what I have in my basement: a. Balaz Heavy Bag Stand with Everlast Nylon covered bag and bottom string at 100 lbs. I use this for kicking drills so the bag will not sway too much. Great for practicing those low level kicks that do not require "much skill." -- Everlast Canvas Bag at 75 lbs.= Good for hand techiques. -- Ringside Mushroom Bag for uppercuts and hooks. -- Speed Bag for timing drills. -- Double End Bags for evasion techiques b. Ringside Cobra Bag-- a free standing bag with spring in the middle for instant recoil and reaction drills. c. Two mats for throwing. d. Landing mat for high throws. In sum, start with a bag at around 100 lbs. Employ hand wraps and good professional bag mitts to protect your hands. This is a must ! Canvas is a good start for budget. The water bags are good for the feel. Leather bags are pricey but nice. I like the Nylahide (sic) for an in between value. Use a timer to work drills. Bag drills= get the book by Benny the Jet and the video by Rob Kamen on bag drills. Also, Marco Lala has a good bag drill video. Hope this helps. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:32:36 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido eagle Just got off the telephone with Hapkido GM JI Han-jae. It had been a couple months since I last had a chance to chat with him. I always like to get one little piece of history out of him each time we chat... So this time I asked when the eagle first started being used as a logo for Hapkido. He indicated that he was the first to use the eagle in a Hapkido logo, and this occured in 1967. He said that he decided on the flying eagle catching the arrow given (1) [to him] the eagle is the king of birds, (2) flying depicts freedom and being free, and (3) catching the arrow indicates that the weapon that was used to attack has been countered and disabled. Just FYI... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Fwd: Re: Heavy Bags,Equipment,etc.; addendum Forgot to mention: a. I personally do not like the Century free standing bags that are filled with water. Too much breakage. Try the Ringside Bags. Unbelievable action and construction. b. I use a Wing Chun Dummy for practicing stick and filipino hand techniques. This is on the basement wall and really helps focus your inside hand and leg techniques. It is padded vs. pure hard wood so you can really rock and roll. Also use knife and stick techniques on this dummy. c. I have been advised that the best all around weight for a heavy bag is 100 pounds. Others may disagree. d. On one hanging heavy bag, I have a device that causes you to bend and weave after you hit to hone your defensive skills. In sum, save your dough and buy the best possible equipment. It will last you a life time and is worth the added cost. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:38:17 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #530 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.