From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #531 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 9 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 531 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 the_dojang: Cross training gym the_dojang: Money or your Life? the_dojang: Bags the_dojang: Re: Ray, great story man ! the_dojang: Re: How much do you really need? [was Comments on one readers idea about TKD as the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art the_dojang: Heavy Bags the_dojang: Heavy Bag the_dojang: Personal responsibility and freedom the_dojang: Master Chung the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bags for Kicking and Striking the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 950 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:12:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #527 Sally, Just for the record, what law would that be? just a query? Stone ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Cross training gym Tony Blauer mail list forwarded this to me. My basement looks partially like this but smaller. McD... Subject: training To: Tblauer@Videotron.ca Looking to cross train, participate in seminars and more. Check this gym out: http://www.wmac.com Probably one of the best equipped facilities anywhere. Visit the link then drop Joe an email and get on his mailing list. Joe@WMAC.com Staff @ Blauer Tactical> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:25:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Money or your Life? In a message dated 8/8/00 7:19:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > So I follow that advice and do those > low kicks against the bag because as you said "low kicks do not take much > skill". > I know my lack of skill will come in handy when I have a confrontation with > a low skill thug in the street who wants my money or my life. > As much as I like fighting, I propose giving up the cash as a first line defense in a "money or life situation." What do the readers think about this? SESilz ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:37:09 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Bags I have been told by an orthopedist that there are a number of kicks which should not be done against heavy bags greater than 40 lb. They are crescent and wheel kicks. He also said that hitting a heavy bag greater than 75 lb with a hook kick or roundhouse is also unwise. His justification was that at near extension or extension, the impact force will unduly stress knee ligaments. Using a swinging motion with lighter bags makes the same effect also. I therefore use a variety of bags for training different areas. I guess if you had to get one, I'd go for a 75 lb and use a hand target for the most knee-wasting kicks. I'd also consider the padding and give of the bag. If you rarely use ball of the foot techniques, I'd get a relatively softer one. Same workout, less shock. I'd be interested in what equipment drills people do for specific kicking attributes. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ray, great story man ! Mr. Ray Terry had a great story: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:32:36 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido eagle Just got off the telephone with Hapkido GM JI Han-jae. It had been a couple months since I last had a chance to chat with him. I always like to get one little piece of history out of him each time we chat... So this time I asked when the eagle first started being used as a logo for Hapkido. He indicated that he was the first to use the eagle in a Hapkido logo, and this occured in 1967. He said that he decided on the flying eagle catching the arrow given (1) [to him] the eagle is the king of birds, (2) flying depicts freedom and being free, and (3) catching the arrow indicates that the weapon that was used to attack has been countered and disabled. Just FYI... Ray Terry> Response: Ray, I had to re-print that story. Amid all the nasty politics and infighting that often occurs, your post above brings home the true essence of the martial arts. A great story. By the way, I have a 1967 Chevy Malibu Sport Coupe completely restored. It is called "Kool 67". Get it ? Hapkido logo and 1967. Oh well. Keep up the great work. Your doing a great job man ! McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: How much do you really need? [was Comments on one readers idea about TKD as Dave: Thanks for the correction. Your right on the correct use of words. I sometimes forget that this is a written medium and that words are often misinterpreted. You can't hear my voice, infliction, diction, tone, or slurring. Agree with what you stated below. McD... - --- Dave Murray wrote: > From: Ken McDonough > > Brief response. As my body as grown older I can't kick as > high as the > > youngins who do those fancy smancy board breaking > techniques. Can't do > > those > > jumping over 5 people and hit the board routine. Can't and > don't like to > > break a board doing a side kick, turn and break a board > doing a back kick, > > then turn and break a board doing a front snap kick. Can't > stretch as much > > as I used to...but I can do the following: > > > > - Use my elbows, fists, knees, and head; throw a few hooks, > jabs, uppercuts > > - Use joint locks > > - Use low level kicks > > - Use a few throwing techniques > > - Use a few combat strategy techniques if need be > > - Using an expanding baton or stick > > > > So, that is my focus for now. That focus is borrowed from > several martial > > arts that I either studied or have watched. Also like the > Arnis/Escrima > > knife techniques. > Response: > > Sounds quite similar to my path but try scrapping the four > letter word "can't", and replace it with "no longer choose to > focus on" and you'll be better off. I don't chose to lead > with kicks or even focus on them much any more (I'm better at > other things), but openings are openings, when a kick opening > is there you want to still be able to go ahead and nail em > with the kick. It's still fun to kick people, even though I'd > rather screw them into the ground in a mangled heap ;^) > > Peace, > Dave > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Comments on one readers idea about TKD as effective street art Rick: Your points are what I was trying to state. Thanks. McD... - --- Rick Kirkham wrote: > Kathy Long did not feel Muay Thai was an effective street art, however I > disagree. I do not feel judo is, as judo does not practice against the > common > haymaker. I feel boxing and Muay Thai are because in the ring you must > train > to hurt and be prepared, both mentally and physically to be hurt, not > score > a point and take a trophy home. The flashy points that judges see are the > > direct opposite as to what works, generally in the street. Yes, any kick, > > including a head kick, can be effective if the element of surprise is > there, > that is why I do not have a rule against it, just a kick line to > generally > keep my kicks low. > > Rick > > http://tutor.hypermart.net/martialarts_ezine71500.htm > http://tutor.hypermart.net/add_your_ad > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:10:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Heavy Bags Sam... When it comes to heavy bags I prefer the 85# canvas hanging bag...not too heavy...not too light...strong and sturdy...I believe the hanging bag is the best all around training tool for martial artists...just make sure you have a very secure and structurally sound overhead support from which to hang it...A couple of training drills I use: Punching Drills: *With a fisted hand...push the bug up to a 45 degree or greater angle...begin to punch with even, continuous punches for one minute or longer...maintaining the angle of the bag all the while...speed of punches will vary to your desire...since the bag is free to spin...you usually have to work your body from left to right to keep the bag in the air at the desired angle.... *Stand in a Riding Horse Stance and punch the bag as fast as you can for one minute or longer... Hand Drills: *Swing the bag from left to right and practice stopping the bag dead center with circular and spinning hand techniques... *Swing the bag back and forth and practice stopping it dead center with punches, strikes, and blocks... *Circle the bag as it moves and swings using every hand and elbow technique you know for one minute or longer... Kicking Drills: *Practice stationary kicks of all kinds against the bag...try and make the bag swing a great distance with each kick... *Stand at normal distance to the bag for kicking...then move a couple of inches closer with each kick until you are too close to properly kick the bag...this is great for crescent kicks of all kinds... *Swing the bag from left to right and practice stopping the bag dead center with spinning kicks... *Swing the bag back and forth and practice stopping it dead center with side kicks and reverse side kicks... Circle the bag while throwing every kick and knee technique you know for one minute or longer... Those are the primary drills I use...of course adding other equipment to round out your training is highly recommended...a speed bag...double end bag...Makawaras...forging posts...Good Luck The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:47:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Heavy Bag Sam, You didn't give a lot of info about your size or age, which get at the power of your kicks, but I would suggest a 70 lb hanging bag for general training, both hand and kick. I've tried the Century standing pedestal targets in my school and generally found them to be easily knocked over by a moderate kick, especially the thrust kicks. They work ok for kids under 12. Canvas is rougher and less forgiving on the knuckles and feet. The water filled bags that Century developed (at least thats the first place I saw them) work well and are more like striking a person. The regular heavy bags are harder, and therefor less forgiving on toes and wrists, etc, but as a consequence are also better at teaching proper hand and foot position and strengthening wrists and ankles. One advantage in buying from Century is that the bags have a lifetime guarantee. I don't know about other manufacturers. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:55:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Personal responsibility and freedom Well said Craig. Blaming an inanimate object for a person's action is not only illogical, it is also silly, as well as being a dangerous impediment to a free society. The foundation of a free society is always personal responsibility. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:58:30 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Master Chung The name Chung in Korea is the equivalent of "Patel in India", "Smith in America", well you get the idea. The Master Chung that owns the dojang I teach Hapkido at is Chung IL Un, he is WTF certified and originally taught TKD in Columbia, South America before coming to the Daytona Beach area, he is an awesome kicker, one of the best that I have ever witnessed. He has taught TKD for 25 years now. He is also a very nice and regular guy and loves to joke around. The other day he was doing back spinning heel kicks and no exaggeration,,, you could hear the wind whistling around his leg when he would do the kick! It was like a sound effect from one of those cheesy kung fu movies, but it was real!! Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: "CA&B Skjold" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:38:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Heavy Bags for Kicking and Striking Hi Sam, I bought the kind that hangs from the ceiling it is the large heavy bag and I have found it effective for both kicking and punching, for drills I do the material and the speed drills our instructor shows us at the end of class. Good Luck, Anne Marquart's WTF TKD Moorhead, MN From: SecOfDef@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:39:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Heavy Bags for Kicking and Striking I've been considering purchasing a heavy bag to practice with but am not sure what kind to get. There are those that hang from the ceiling, and those that sit on the floor... there are weights from 40 pounds to 120 pounds. I'm training in Taekwondo, so I need a bag that will be of use for both kicking and striking. What makes a good bag? What kind do you use and how do you like it? Perhaps someone might be willing to share some bag drills? Much appreciated, Sam Rochester, MN ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 7:21:03 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #531 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.