From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #535 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 10 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 535 In this issue: the_dojang: Reminder of upcoming seminar the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #531 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #533 the_dojang: GM Nam Suk Lee the_dojang: MDK Trim: Black or Blue - Is there a substantial relevance here? the_dojang: Original---Traditional TKD Re: the_dojang: MDK Trim: Black or Blue - Is there a substantial the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #534 the_dojang: Re: Waterbeds and Water bags the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chris S Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:54:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #531 Stone wrote: << Just for the record, what law would that be? >> >Couldn't begin to know. However, if you'd really like to know, you could try >joking about having a weapon or a bomb on your person or in your luggage next >time you check in or board a plane. I'm sure you'll have the pertinent >information quoted to you. > >Sally >SallyBaughn@aol > >p.s. Don't know about this one; but I'm told that you can't even say "Hi! >Jack." without being hustled away by security. : ) In a book I'm reading(The Shadow University, p.36, by Silvergate and Kors), it said that there were four exceptions to free speech: I suppose this one would prohibit yelling fire in a theater: a)Speech posing a 'clear and present danger' of imminent violence or lawlessness b)disclosures threatening 'national security' c)'obscenity' (book this didn't hold up under legal scrutiny much anymore) And the last one pertains to us, d)'fighting words' that would provoke a 'reasonable person' to an 'imminent, violent response' From what the book said, this last one has increasingly been called into question, since it is seen as the responsiblity of the person to control themselves, regardless of the speech. So far, it hasn't really gone into things such as face-to face confrontations, and at what point(if any) you can feel threatened enough to respond physically. Chris ------------------------------ From: Chris Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:58:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #533 << Rick, I feel that to make a statement that Judo, does not practice against a haymaker is pretty general.>> Can someone please define "haymaker". I here the term frequently, and think I know what it is, but I'm not sure. Thanks, Chris H. Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:15:52 PDT Subject: the_dojang: GM Nam Suk Lee FYI, from Grandmaster Eugene Humesky... "I am conducting a campaign to help refray the costs of hospitalization of Gr.Master Nam Suk Lee. If you and your students would like to contribute, please send the contributions to his older son Senior Master Chong Lee whose address is P.O.Box 6395 San Pedro, CA 90734. Thank you in advance." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:02:12 GMT Subject: the_dojang: MDK Trim: Black or Blue - Is there a substantial relevance here? Hi. Although I just posted this to Mac's new discussion page [plug.plug.plug], I thought I'd put it out to a wider audience of you you Moo Duk Kwaners and interested parties. Please understand up front this query is NOT to initiate flames [my color and/or association is best] or insult anyone's instructor. So with all those disclaimers.... Does it make a difference (i.e., statement of affiliation, philosophy, etc.) what color trim you wear on your Dobak? It is my understanding that when trim first emerged in the MDK, it was black. It sounds as if the blue trim came about in the 1950's. I've heard reasons such as to differentiate from the "traitors" who broke away to TKD and conformity; GM Hwang saw blue on a historical Hwang-Do uniform; and, blue philosophically represents growth and potential versus death (black). No matter the reason, I think that blue does superficially differentiate the TSD & SBD types from the TKD types. I do not know any people with blue trim whom call themselves TKD MDK. I do, however, know a multitude with black trim that call themselves TSD and TKD. So, does it matter to you which color? If you are not with the latest incarnation of the MDK (SBD), is not either color relevant? Without beating a dead horse by the name of "Traditional," I think one could wear pretty much any trim one wanted, black or blue, to be considered MDK. The American public least understands blue trim, other style black belts included. So, why wear it? Does it symbolize a steadfast adherence to TSDMDK versus TKDMDK? Is it just cool cause it is different? It does not seem that keeping blue particularly dictates loyalty to KJN Hwang if you are not SBD. A quandary? Does it matter? I'd like your mature thoughts on this. Respectfully, Dana PS: I have worn both black and blue over the years, but lately [last decade] primarily blue. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:26:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Original---Traditional TKD Mac Wrote: I vote for the old Karate-do (Tangsoo-Do) myself :-) Mac TANG SOO! I Respond: TANG SOO!!!! Actually, I was trying to be funny, but it kinda fizzled cause I was catching up on some old issues and saw the discussion, but I didn't really look at the date of the issue, bout a month ago, until after I hit send. Oh well, vacation was fun. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:59:16 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: MDK Trim: Black or Blue - Is there a substantial > It is my understanding that when trim first emerged in the MDK, it was > black. It sounds as if the blue trim came about in the 1950's. I've heard > reasons such as to differentiate from the "traitors" who broke away to TKD > and conformity; GM Hwang saw blue on a historical Hwang-Do uniform; and, > blue philosophically represents growth and potential versus death (black). > > No matter the reason, I think that blue does superficially differentiate the > TSD & SBD types from the TKD types. I do not know any people with blue trim > whom call themselves TKD MDK. I do, however, know a multitude with black > trim that call themselves TSD and TKD. So, does it matter to you which > color? If you are not with the latest incarnation of the MDK (SBD), is not > either color relevant? Not really an answer to you question, but just a comment... When I switched from TSD to TKD MDK in the late 1970s the TKD instructor I was newly under had been a direct student of Hwang Kee. We worn green trim on our uniforms when we hit green belt, blue at blue belt, red at red belt, and black at black belt. That was how I learned to sew... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:40:12 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #534 Yes Donnla, Even though almost all instructors recommend against it, high kicks have been, can be and are sometimes used sucessfully in self defense situations. The sucess depends on a number of things, as with any self-defense situation. I certainly wouldn't recommend doing it, but I know of several cases where it has worked quite well. The thing they have in common is the situation was usually against a young bully who didn't have a lot of training. But hey, I have also seen a full contact fighter KO'd with a flying side kick to the face in a regional championship match. Depends totally on the situation. My 2 cents. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Waterbeds and Water bags Mac stated: Response: This reminds me of my experiences with a waterbed in my loft-- years ago. It was the heyday of waterbeds. They even had stores that just sold waterbeds, along with ornate furniture and cubby holds to place all sorts of things. I was in my prime, if you know what I mean. So, I was with my girlfriend. Do I have to spell it out for ya...Too much action. Well, let me just say that the living room below the loft had much water as well. So, when I think of working out on waterbags, I recall the time with waterbeds. Lesson Learned: Place the bag downstairs. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:05:47 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #535 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.