From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #542 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 13 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 542 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Powerair Heavy Bags the_dojang: Re: For Gary=Vee Arnis Jitsu= Additional Info. Re: the_dojang: Re: For Gary=Vee Arnis Jitsu= Additional Info. the_dojang: RE: ITF rules the_dojang: Re: Money or life the_dojang: Hi, Jack! the_dojang: Re: vee arnis jistsu Re: the_dojang: Re: Money or life the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 975 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Powerair Heavy Bags Jack asked: > Anyone have experience with "Powerair" heavy bags? Ive heard they are awesome... Jack> Response: I have heard good things about the Powerair bags. If I was in the market for a new bag I would try that. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: For Gary=Vee Arnis Jitsu= Additional Info. Gary asked: Response: Getting away from my distorted sense of humor, I will answer legitimately what I have learned. I hope I do not offend Korean based arts here--although that is what I learned. Vee Arnis Jitsu. The school was founded by Professor Visacion (sic), from the Philippines. He also studied judo, jujitsu, Muay Thai, and Arnis/Escrima. He was well respected in his field and recently passed. He migrated from California to New York City and started his own school. The focus was on a street self-defense style system combining the above arts. Nothing fancy, but straight to the point. Thereafter, his protege, Professor James became the successor to the school. Professor James is from NYC and started in Japanese systems then moved into Vee Arnis Jitsu. If you go to the site you will see that there are three prongs to the system, Arnis/Escrima, Muay Thai, and Jujitsu. From this they have evolved a street oriented self-defense system. Apparently, part of their curriculum involves the use of Ve-Te's which are street scenarios and how you would react to them. These Ve-Te's are discussed on their video, "Ve-Te's for the street." The system has received much praise from well known martial artists. In fact, Professor James has produced a series of videos that have been consistently rated number one by independent martial arts video reviews. His system and style is an "in your face" kind of style that makes you keenly aware of your tools available to defend yourself, what to look for out in the street, and how to react when confronted in a life threatening situation. Personally, I believe all martial artists and respected Masters would learn from what this man is teaching and impart their own style to applications for self-defense situations in the street, re: Western society. (I know they are doing that know by the way). I know I will receive a reaction from some who are steadfast in their own ideas about their own arts. I do not denigrate any martial art. However, I have always maintained that taking a subway in downtown Seoul is a lot different than taking the A train late at night in New York City. Hence, perhaps your training should reflect that reality. I have shown several of his videos to my sons who are shocked and appreciative at the same time. Hope this helps. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 8:03:14 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: For Gary=Vee Arnis Jitsu= Additional Info. > Response: Getting away from my distorted sense of humor, I will answer > legitimately what I have learned. I hope I do not offend Korean based arts > here--although that is what I learned. > > Vee Arnis Jitsu. The school was founded by Professor Visacion (sic), from > the Philippines. He also studied judo, jujitsu, Muay Thai, and > Arnis/Escrima. He was well respected in his field and recently passed. He > migrated from California to New York City and started his own school. The > focus was on a street self-defense style system combining the above arts. Just FYI, from the FMA FAQ... Ray Style: Vee-Arnis-Jitsu Founder: Florendo "Vee" Visitacion (1910-1999) A combination of hard and soft styles, incorporating PaKua footwork, Kung-Fu, Judo, Ju-Jutsu, Aikido, Karate, and Arnis Lanada. major players : David James, Frank Edwards, Sr., Frank Edwards, Jr., Mohammed Talib ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:39:58 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: ITF rules For those truly interested in the ITF tournament rules a copy of the Rules and Regulations for the USTF (which follow the ITF rules very closely) can be purchased at www.ustf-itf.com. This is the main home page for the USTF/Sereff Taekwon-do. Taekwon Robert Martin PS: The Gen. Choi Cup will be held October 28 in New Haven, CT. This is a major ITF international tournament held in honor of Choi Hong Hi's birthday. Competition is only open to ITF members but the general public is welcome to watch. More information can be found at www.blackdragonltd.com. From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:02:01 PDT Subject: the_dojang: ITF rules Back a month or so ago we had a short thread on ITF tourny rules. I just ran across this old email and thought I'd share. Ray ========================================================================= From: craig stanley Subject: ITF RULES Mr. Ray Terry, My name is Craig Stanley. I am a 5th degree with the ITF. I was passed a question about ITF tournament rules by Laurie Willox. I am unaware of any electronic copies of the rules but I can give them to you as well as another E-mail where you can try for an e-set of rules. Points awarded as follows: 1 point for punch to the face or body while attacker is standing on the floor. 1 point for a kick to the body while the attacker has one foot on the floor. 2 points for a jumping punch to any target 2 points for a kick to the head while the attacker has one foot on the floor 2 points for a jumping kick to the defenders torso. 3 points for a jumping kick to the head. There are a number of warnings that can be called and a number of minus points. An accumilation of 3 minus points result in disqualification. Drawing blood also causes an immediate disqualification. Any 3 warnings will result in a deduction of a point at the end of the match. 12 warnings would equal 4 points lost. These points deducted do not add together with any minus points given during a match to cause a disqualification. They are two seperate catagories. The fights are controlled contact to legal targets. The targets are torso and front of head. Neck is not a target. Excessive contact is first warned and then minus points given. Drawing blood is instant disqualification. The list of warnings and minus point infractions are numerous. I will try to get an e-list to you. As an example of some rules, leaving the ring is a warning, as is grabbing your opponent, also falling down. If you have one foot in the ring and one foot out, you can be scored upon but can not score on your opponent. If you injure your opponent so he can not continue you are disqualified. To truely understand the application of these rules you must see a tournament. The contact allowed is greater than one might expect. Our style is not actually no contact. The desire to win is very great in competitors and the referees do a great job in controlling the matches. At the black belt level there are knockouts and injuries. The speed and level of intensity of these athletes is incredible. We are talking about control to the millimeter. Sometimes the target moves, sometimes the athlete misjudges by a hair and an injury occurs. When all is said an done the matches are very exciting to watch. I hope I have helped you a little with your quest for ITF rules. There are of course other ways we compete as in board breaking, both power and special technique and in patterns. We also have team competitions for all the above. If you write to the ITF web site you may get a more complete answer. Their e-mail is masterchoi@itf-taekwondo.com. Taekwon, C Stanley ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Money or life > > > From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:25:25 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Money or your Life? > > > As much as I like fighting, I propose giving up the cash as a first line > defense in a "money or life situation." What do the readers think about this? > SESilz > Remember the ballyhoo about the "three strikes" law and how great it was because it would get all the evil old bad persons off the street and into prison where they belong? All it has accomplished is that the bad guy will now kill his victim rather than leave a witness, no matter how cooperative you are. IMHO, once a weapon appears or a threat of a weapon is made, all bets are off. Your life, at that moment, is in peril and you should react accordingly. Don't hesitate, even for a second, and don't stop until one or the other of you is on the ground unable to continue. Preferably the other guy, of course. Of course, if you are a descendant of Jack Benny, I realize you *will* have to ponder the proposition for a long while.... :-) ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:08:49 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Hi, Jack! Sally wrote: >>p.s. Don't know about this one; but I'm told that you can't even say "Hi! >>Jack." without being hustled away by security. : ) I, for one, can attest that this is true from personal experience...one of my most embarassing moments ever! I was 12 years old and going on a trip overseas...and when I was passing through the security gate, I joke about hi jacking a plane. Security had me hauled away so fast that my parents didn't even know I was gone right away! They did let me go, after a stern lecture never to say anything like that again....even joking! :-) Silke ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:59:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: vee arnis jistsu My brother went to the school in Manhattan & highly recommends it. What kind of info are you looking for? ~Daniel >------------------------------ > >From: HardCoresixpax@aol.com >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:00:59 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: vee arnis jistsu > >Mcd >you gave me this web site (http://www.veearnisjitsu.com) and told me Prof >james runs a satellite school in brooklyn, i did a little reseach and the >style taught there really seems like something i want to pursue so anyone >with any information on the school instructor or style (vee arnis jistsu) >please let me know. aslo, everyone thanks for all the tips and Mcd thanks >for the lead. >later >gary ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:17:16 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Money or life > Remember the ballyhoo about the "three strikes" law and how great it > was because it would get all the > evil old bad persons off the street and into prison where they belong? > All it has accomplished is that > the bad guy will now kill his victim rather than leave a witness, no > matter how cooperative you are. I'm not necessarily in favor of 3 strike laws, at least some of them. However your claim above is clearly incorrect. According to the FBI UCRs of recent years the murder rate across the US is trending down. IMHO, this would not be the case if the above were true. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:19:28 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #542 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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