From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #543 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 14 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 543 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: sip p'al gi the_dojang: re: DANIEL~~~~ vee arnis jitsu the_dojang: Martial Arts humor Re: the_dojang: Stretching question... the_dojang: VAJ the_dojang: Re: Pilates the_dojang: Inspirational tales of flexibility the_dojang: Re: veearnisjitsu the_dojang: Tae Yun Kim the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 975 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Pratt Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:29:50 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Re: sip p'al gi Dear Rudolph, You asked way back: > > Thanks for the information. I would be interested in the more detailed > history of this art. Unfortunately, work has been busy and I have not been able to reply before today. My apologies. Please excuse me if I go off topic, I have either forgotten our discussion or am getting very excited with the topic :-) I will answer your questions first: > > >Not exactly Kung Fu, but that might be how it was explained to your > >Grandmaster. > > What would be the connection there, then? Why would it be explained as > kung fu, if it wasn't? (I believe that is entirely possible, I'm simply > curious why.) > This could be the result of the common problem of translating Chinese characters. For example, should the character be translated into Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc, or is the meaning of the character as used in Korea the same as the Chinese original. For example, Henning (in a recent JAMA article) noted that the Koreans continued to use 'subak' long after the term was disused in China. However, Henning also seems to assume that the art the Koreans were referring too was the same as the Chinese 'Subak,' which may not necessarily be so... > > >Sip p'al gi indeed refers to '18 techniques.' My research has so far > >traced these techniques back to Ming Chinese military manuals. However, > >they are of interest to us because they appear in a later Korean > >military manual. > > The Muye Tobo T'ongji--I haven't seen a copy, but I am familiar with > it as a reference in modern Korean martial arts histories. > I must amend the above because on reflection it might not be correct. The Choson military obtained a copy of Ch'i Chi-kuang's Chi-hsiao hsin-shu (New Text of Practical Tactics) during the Hideyoshi invasion (see my web page http://members.aol.com/torm1358/dissert.htm for some more information. Yes, the web site is still there, but only for a few more days.) and produced a condensed version called the Muye chebo (Treatise on all Fighting Arts). This, including some other techniques copied from the Wu-pei chih (Treatise on Military Preparedness) by Mao Yüan-i formed the basis of the '18 techniques.' An additional 6 'new' techniques composing of horse and Japanese-sourced sword techniques were later published in 1759 as the Muye sinbo. This latter manual has, apparently, been lost but we can surmise it's contents from the Muye tobo tongji > > >However, the modern techniques called Sip p'al gi to which you refer > >belong to a martial art created by Kim Kwang-seok. He put together/ > >rediscovered these techniques, probably in the 60-70's. By 1988 he was > > If your dating is correct, then my Grandmaster probably got his training > from another source--he's in his 60's and began training at 5 yrs old. > Did he travel to Japanese controlled Manchuria like Hwang Ki?? In that case he may really have learned Chinese arts, but that would leave unresolved where the '18 techniques' come from. Does anyone know of a Chinese art of 18 techniques? Pakkua is '8 techniques' I think... > >Anthony reports that Sip p'al-gae was absorbed by a Hapkido style, but > >we don't know which one or when. > > It would be interesting to find out which one... > So would I :-) Apologies once again for the slow response. Andrew ------------------------------ From: HardCoresixpax@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:52:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: DANIEL~~~~ vee arnis jitsu thanx to everyone i really now just need information on the brooklyn school, and its credibility, i am goin for a free lesson tomarrow night, which by the time everyone gets this will be now so you can be sure i'll let you all know whats its like. so far i like the style, and the dojo (can i say dojo for this style?) is really close to my house, the only thing is its 85/ month which really seems like a lot.... later and thanx gary ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:16:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Martial Arts humor I found these on the Aberdeen University web site: http://www.taekwondo.freeserve.co.uk Top Reasons for Studying the Martial Arts 1. Broken masonry makes great drainage for potted plants. 2. Get beaten up by people half your size and twice your age. 3. Never run out of kindling wood again. 4. No need to wonder what belt to wear. 5. Get to be on first name basis with the Emergency Room staff. 6. The uniforms make nice pajamas. 7. Never need to wonder why it's hard to get up in the morning. 8. Get to appreciate the finer points of Chuck Norris' acting. 9. Learn to count to 10 in 3 different Asian languages. 10. Get to star in Ginsu commercials. Bonus: Three words: free nose job. Murphy's Laws of Martial Arts 1. The wimp who made it through the eliminations on luck alone will suddenly turn into Bruce Lee when you're up against him. 2. The referee will always be looking the other way when you score. 3. You will have trouble with the ties on your dobok pants when members of the opposite sex are in class. 4. The day you leave work early to make it to class on time, the instructor will be sick. 5. The instructor will only use you during demonstrations for joint-locking techniques. 6. If you have to use your training in self-defense, your attacker's father will be a lawyer. 7. After a flawless demonstration, you will trip on your way back to your seat. 8. After years of training without a single injury, you will pull a groin muscle the night before your black belt exam. 9. In an otherwise vacant locker room, the only other person will have the locker right next to yours. 10. No matter how many times you take care of it before your promotion exam, you will invariably have to go to the bathroom when it's your turn. There are a couple of others. Taekwon Robert Martin PS. they also have a link to the dojang-digest! ------------------------------ From: Dominic Mitchell Date: 14 Aug 2000 01:33:05 -0400 Subject: Re: the_dojang: Stretching question... Hi, I have been watching the mailing list for quite a while now. This is my first question to the group. I am 36 years old and I have been training in TKD for about a year now. I am quite curious on this question of stretching. After reading about T. Kurz 'Stretching Scientifically' in this group, I went to stadion.com to get more information on the book and the author. 1) Are the claims made by 'readers' on that web site true? Basically that following that method seriously will allow almost anyone to the front and side split? 2) Is the book easy to follow? My native language is not English which makes some subjects harder to read. For example, is the book well illustrated? Is the language used easy to understand for a non specialist? Etc. Thanks, Dominic Mitchell ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:07:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: VAJ Why the shock? ~Daniel >I have shown several of his videos to my sons who are shocked and >appreciative at the same time. > >Hope this helps. > >McD... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Karel van der Walt" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:42:52 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Pilates I have looked into the class of therapies called somatherapies including alexander method, hellerworks, rolfing, feldenkrais, etc. Mostly because i have persistent sciatia in my right hamstring - that burning sensation when you drive (right hand drive cars over here) I even took 6 months of TKD just swimming and stretching. My understanding/conclusion was something like this : you can take pills/painkillers for the symptoms (for anything - generally speaking) or adjust your lifestyle/diet. The one take less effort but is not viable in long run. Likewise you can undergo a 'violent' biomechanical adjustment (eg. chiropractice) or adjust you posture movement through exercise. The one take less effort but is not viable in long run. I am also looking into the whole stretching business again. Will post on that. Undortunately these therapies are not DIY and classes are not available here. Business oportunity...? Hmmm If only I was financially secure... C k ------------------------------ From: "Steven Bagshaw" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:14:31 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Inspirational tales of flexibility Hi All, I've been training in Hapkido for 6 months now, having started at the age of 30. Even as a kid, I was fairly inflexible (physically), and several years of computer-work and sloth have exacerbated that. I am at the stage where I have gotten over the jealousy towards the flexible and the fear of never being able to do a decent roundhouse kick - being humble and knowing I am "on my own path" were good lessons to learn - but I was wondering if any other relatively late starters out there have an inspiring story of going from zero to hero in the flexibility stakes. And how did you do it? Thanks for any comments... Steven Bagshaw Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:39:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: veearnisjitsu Gary, Email me and I am familiar with Prof. Vee's teachings and systems, email me offlist and I will be glad to give you any info that I have about the systems. In the subject line put in Prof. Vee Stone cplr50@aol.com In a message dated 8/13/00 9:50:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: vee arnis jistsu Mcd you gave me this web site (http://www.veearnisjitsu.com) and told me Prof james runs a satellite school in brooklyn, i did a little reseach and the style taught there really seems like something i want to pursue so anyone with any information on the school instructor or style (vee arnis jistsu) please let me know. aslo, everyone thanks for all the tips and Mcd thanks for the lead. later gary >> ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:02:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Tae Yun Kim Thanks for the heads-up on the Kongsuwon website. Yep, pretty wild stuff. Years ago my brother wanted to get into the martial arts, so I said, "great, there's LOTS out near you in California!" I recommended training with Ernie Reyes or the Palo Alto Judo Club. So what does he do? He goes off to GM Kim's place and finds her singing to her students on a stage in full make-up, etc. while her students work out. When he asks how much lessons are, they reply "how much do you have?" The cult-like atmosphere had him pretty worried. He never went into the martial arts (too bad!) but at least he had the sense to avoid the place. Sheesh! Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 6:53:55 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #543 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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