From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #551 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 17 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 551 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: taeguek and i ching the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #550 the_dojang: sip p'al gi the_dojang: various the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido the_dojang: website the_dojang: Knife question part two the_dojang: Re: AAU Team trials the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 985 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:19:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: taeguek and i ching i agree with your theory about the taegeuks... here are my reasons why: the original tai chi diagram featured trigrams aroung the outside. this diagram is called the tai chi ( taegeuk has the same meaning as tai chi) the i ching is composed of 64 hexagrams, each with a particular meaning. these hexagrams came from the eight trigrams, which have the same representations as the taegeuk poomse. (of which there are eight taegeuks) this is only my humble opion, but i've thought it for a long long time. frank ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:39:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #550 In a message dated 8/16/00 8:39:33 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Also I do hope to see most of you at the AAU FRIENDSHIP TOURNAMENT VI >> I have let my AAU membership expire because the South Texas AAU chairman got to know three of my top students and their parents at the tournaments and solicited them to join his school and his AAU team. They switched as he has the best facility in all of San Antonio and can also afford to travel to the national tournaments with them. Anyway, my 10 year old black belt just won the AAU Jr. Olympics in sparring, as a member of his team. No more AAU for me. Gary ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:04:48 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: sip p'al gi Dear Shin Hoe, You wrote in the Dojang: There is no Chinese art of 18 techniques. But prior to the Qing dynasty, a warrior who wish to hold high official position in the Chinese Imperial Army has to excell in 18 compulsory weapons during the Imperial Military Examination. If the Sip P'pal Gi was extracted form Muye Tonji Tubo, then it would most probably based on the compulsory 18 weapons as in Chinese Military. << Thank you for your interesting comments. I would like to ask a few more questions which I hope you will have some answers for. I can agree with what you wrote except that the Muye Tobo Tongji derives from the Ming period Chi-hsiao hsin-shu (Jixiao Xinshu). My understanding of the Ming military is weak but it seems to have been organised similarly to European armies where the general was expected to fund the soldiers under his command. This meant that individual units developed different tactics and methods (and this is still true of the British army today!). The tactics developed by Ch'i Chi-kuang were fairly successful against Japanese(sic) pirates and the Jurchin. However, I do not know that his tactics were ever adopted by the Imperial Army. Enlightenment is requested :-) Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Michael Choi" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:39:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: various With regards to the Hapkido Eagle origin story... cool. By the way, if you look really hard at the Hapkido Eagle with Arrow, can one see the Two Arrowhead in a Circle Hapkido emblem (e.g., World Hapkido Fed and Kidohae)? With regards to Mas Oyama... among the photos in my hapkido school, is a picture from May 23 or 28, 1973 where all these Hapkido masters are gathered in a big gymnasium. Seated in the center is Grandmaster Ji Han Jae and Mas Oyama. I guess Mas Oyama was impressed with Hapkido as well. With regards Ship Pal Ki... when I called Dr. Kimm's school asking questions about his Hapkido Bible, I eventually asked him about Kuk Sool. He said that Kuk Sool is, generally speaking, a combination of Hapkido and Ship Pal Ki. (No, I do not know Dr. Kimm personally. Although he was in Seoul a few weeks ago, I was not able to meet him, very regretfully.) Know for some questions 1. My Hapkido Kwanjangnim mentioned Shaolin Temple yesterday and how both little kids and adults train exhaustively hard all day long, even spearhanding boiling water in order to develop their striking power. What's the reasoning/origin of Shaolin Boxing if Buddhism eschews violence? I read that the Shaolin Temple was burned down a very long time ago and the monks dispersed. Are the monks at the (rebuilt) Shaolin temple practicing the original techniques or is it just a tourist trap set up by the Chinese government? 2. Does anyone have Steve Capener's (sic) email address? 3. With all the stories of the Korea vs. Japan tournament in the '60s, I wonder if anyone can conclusively verify that Grandmaster Yeon Hee Park, trained under Taekwondo Jidokwan style, was on that Korea team? I have heard stories of how he beat his Japanese opponent both times he went. Sincerely, Michael Choi (just a lowly yudanja) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Karel van der Walt" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:12:40 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido I wish you can make a CH seminar and post an opinion, Alain. Their bona fides seem above doubt to me. C k ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:08:03 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: website Dear all, Final notice from my brother. It is my sad duty to inform you that after about four years my website at AOL will be closing this Friday (18th August). It will re-appear someday (and in a better format). Anyone who wants a last look should do so now. Thanks to all those who have visited over the years. Regards, Andrew members.aol.com/torm1358/homepage.html (RIP) :-( ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:11:43 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Knife question part two Dear all, Thank you to all who contributed to my knife question I posed a few months ago. I found the answers and comments very interesting. I must admit, though, that I was a little surprised that the discussion moved so quickly onto which knife was best. I agree with Ray that basically you fight from whatever position you are in. I was interested in the discussion about whether the knife should be held in front or (concealed) to the rear. I also found the discussion about which part of the arm to use to block the opponents knife-strike very useful. Ray has mentioned several times that in a knife fight, one must expect to be hit. Several people commented that any block should be done with the outside of the forearm (where the bone is). However, there seems to be a conflict here in that most techniques that require the opponent's wrist to be grabbed would require the arm to be round the other way (i.e. expose the vulnerable tendons on the inside of the arm). Moving onto my main question. In the martial art I mainly practise (Aikido) we are taught to try and get to the side or (preferably) behind the opponent. This works quite well (did I really write that?) if the opponent is side on. However, attempting to get behind someone in a 'classic knife-fighter's stance' would seem to be suicidal. If the opponent is face on, should the tactic be to try and get inside the knife-arc and attack the opponent's body? Stepping in, grabbing the knife arm on the way in, turning and executing a classic hip throw (as in Judo) comes to mind as an effective technique except I'm no good at hip throws :-(. Comments, as always, welcome. Best wishes, Andrew ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:18:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: AAU Team trials In a message dated 8/16/00 8:35:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Finally the AAU Team Trials are set. >> Can you elaborate on what these Trials are for? Is there an AAU National Team now, etc......? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 7:03:10 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #551 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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