From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #554 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 18 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 554 In this issue: the_dojang: USTF vs. KATU the_dojang: The First Amendment-My Input the_dojang: Hapkido videos sold! the_dojang: Sip-pal, etc. the_dojang: since two have asked... the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 985 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 7:16:20 PDT Subject: the_dojang: USTF vs. KATU Just curious... What is the latest with the two ITF orgs in the US, the USTF and the KATU? Are they both present to perform different functions for the ITF? Do they compete for the same members? ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:49:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: The First Amendment-My Input My input on the First Amendment: I've been reading the discussions on the First Amendment Rights and the meaning and interpretation of the First Amendment. There is one paragraph in the Constitution that everyone overlooks. It is a very simple Paragraph which sets the whole meaning of the Constitution not only as originally written but as Amended as well...the paragraph happens to be the very first one at the top of the page...it's called the Preamble... "We The People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Check out this link: http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/Law/Constitutional/Constitutions/United_Stat es/Constitution_of_the_United_States/ I underlined the key words that define the meaning and definition of the Constitution...the words common and general literally mean the majority of the population as a whole (the word whole referring to the United States as a whole...not to a group or organization or any smaller faction of the United States, but the United States as a whole population).....whatever benefits the majority of the public as a whole is what will be deemed as appropriate...anything which does not benefit the majority as a whole would not be deemed as appropriate...domestic tranquility means exactly that...peace and non-violence as well as peaceful and non-violent acts or actions within the borders of the United States...anything which insights non-peaceful and violent acts or actions is not to be tolerated... IMHO: Having said the previous...it is the responsibility of the initiating individual and all subsequent individuals, groups, organizations, etc. to take the it upon themselves to determine the overall effect of their actions and/or words on the common and general public of the United States as a whole to insure the domestic tranquility of the whole ...it is a matter of being responsible for yourself and the results of your acts, actions, and words. ------------------------------ From: "Charles Roberts" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:09:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido videos sold! Dear Bothers and Sisters on the List: The Hapkido videos that I had for sale are now sold. Charles ------------------------------ From: "David Reed" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:34:21 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Sip-pal, etc. >> Keep in mind that the Moye Tongji was written by >> Master Han Kyo who researched the traditional tribal >> martial arts (Sa Do Mu Sul)of Korea. =20 >That is one camp. However most believe that it was primarily Korea's >examination of the Chinese military arts of the time. I believe Ray has this nailed for three reasons. First, the format and = content are very close to a previous Chinese, general training manual = intended for conscripts. Second, the style represented for open hand = training is Long Fist. If you see some of the "new" Korean forms today = that have been "discovered" in this document, you will see basic Long = Fist forms similar to the current type taught by such people as Yang, = Jwing Ming. In fact, you can get some of the beginning Long Fist forms = from the YMAA site and have essentially the same techniques as are in = this volume. Long Fist was the official, generic style adopted by the = Chinese military for conscript training. Third, many of the Chinese loan = words used in the Korean version are straight from the original in = location, phrasing, and usage. As to the eighteen weapons, basic conscripts were never taught all or = even most of them. Why? Many of them such as the Monk's Spade and Kwan = Dao were expensive to fabricate and very challenging to learn. Why = would you go to the trouble to obtain and teach them to a temporary army = raised for a specific, temporary campaign? Most peasants learned the = spear to be cannon fodder in the front ranks. Many of the classic = weapons also had no place in warfare the way it was conducted then = either. These weapons were for classes which had time, money, and = instruction in them. The book is an encyclopaedia of martial techniques = for general reference and examination. However, the number eighteen is very popular in martial arts. There are = no less than three distinct forms having this name. Of course there are = also forms for 36, 54, and 108 which are multiples of 18. Tang Soo Do = used to practice an "18" form in the old days which is directly related = to the Okinawan form and the southern Chinese form of the same name. = These forms derive from the Five Elder's style which has varants in most = asian countries. Perhaps this attests to its popularity or presence in = ports. However, as Korean martial arts of old typically had no weapons = which resemble the classic Chinese 18, it seems most reasonable to = classify Sip-pal forms as decendents of Five Elder styles. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 9:33:24 PDT Subject: the_dojang: since two have asked... Two people today have asked me if this was the case... Did CHOI Jung Hwa leave the ITF for the WTF? No flames, just asking. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:52:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #554 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.