From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #556 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 19 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 556 In this issue: the_dojang: students the_dojang: Re: Choi Jung Hwa - 9th dan?? the_dojang: TKD Times the_dojang: Re: The First Amendment-My Input Re: the_dojang: Re: The First Amendment-My Input the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 985 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:28:21 PDT Subject: the_dojang: students For those of you running your own 'standalone' school... (i.e. a studio that you rent/own, pay heat/light/water bills, etc.) I realize that this could vary greatly... Do you have a number in mind when it comes to regularly paying students that you feel you need to maintain to keep your busniess successful? e.g. you feel you need a minimum of 50 [insert-other-#-here] paying students to keep your school running in the black month after month? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:39:51 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Choi Jung Hwa - 9th dan?? >Dave Steffen: Given that he's Gen. Choi's son, > the fourth person to make 9th Dan, .... Has Choi Jung Hwa been promoted? When? Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TKD Times I have not got the issue yet, but it is in the mail. If you go to the pics at www.hapkido.com you can see the group of around 300! Jere R. Hilland PS I hope that Outlook is sending this in Plain Text.... ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:47:30 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The First Amendment-My Input I just thought I'd toss my $.02 into the First Amendment Rights conversation. I have been following it on and off and just couldn't resist anymore (I know, you're thrilled ;). Kim Farral said: >I've been reading the discussions on the First Amendment Rights and >the >meaning and interpretation of the First Amendment. There is one >paragraph >in the Constitution that everyone overlooks. It is a very >simple >Paragraph which sets the whole meaning of the Constitution not >only as >originally written but as Amended as well...the paragraph >happens to be >the very first one at the top of the page...it's called >the Preamble... How true this is. Unfortunately, we are very used to allowing television and other media outlets form our opinions. This can cause trouble when we are only getting half the story or things are not presented as clearly as they could be. If we're going to discuss the U.S. Constitution, it should be done in the context it was intended. Otherwise we end up as deconstructionists who think words mean nothing and can be twisted to mean whatever we want them to mean. >"We The People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect >Union >establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the >common >defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings >of Liberty >to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish >this Constitution >for the United States of America." >I underlined the key words that define the meaning and definition of >the >Constitution...the words common and general literally mean the >majority of >the population as a whole (the word whole referring to >the United States >as a whole...not to a group or organization or any >smaller faction of the >United States, but the United States as a >whole population).....whatever >benefits the majority of the public as >a whole is what will be deemed as >appropriate...anything which does >not benefit the majority as a whole >would not be deemed as >appropriate...domestic tranquility means exactly >that...peace and >non-violence as well as peaceful and non-violent acts or >actions >within the borders of the United States...anything which insights >non-peaceful and violent acts or actions is not to be tolerated... It's interesting to note that the founders of our country seem to have had a much more balanced view of liberty than many of us have today. They knew that the individual and society are BOTH important. Neither one should exclude the other. Too often people view it as "society vs. the individual." Unfortunately this overlooks an important caveat: societies are made up of individuals. An individual doesn't exist for society, society exists for the individual. But we must all balance our rights against those other individuals in society. >IMHO: Having said the previous...it is the responsibility of the > >initiating individual and all subsequent individuals, groups, > >organizations, etc. to take the it upon themselves to determine the > >overall effect of their actions and/or words on the common and >general >public of the United States as a whole to insure the domestic >tranquility >of the whole ...it is a matter of being responsible for >yourself and the >results of your acts, actions, and words. Bravo. I think this is a great insight. How many times have people said that liberty is important and what they really mean is license. There's a difference. Liberty is being free to do the right thing, license is doing whatever you want. Liberty FORCES us to be responssible (and at the same time to be free). License is trying to avoid responsibility, at times at the expense of others' liberty. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:02:34 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The First Amendment-My Input Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety. --- Benjamin Franklin Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:03:32 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #556 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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