From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #565 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 22 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 565 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Missoula Momtana Inquiry the_dojang: Re: Missoula Martial Arts the_dojang: Re: Olympic Team Adios the_dojang: Re: Cost of Business the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #564 the_dojang: MA on MTV and the silver screen the_dojang: Re: Cleanliness the_dojang: Missoula Martial Arts the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 995 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:05:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Missoula Momtana Inquiry You are in luck. A member of this list , Alain Burrese teaches, or can advise you who to contact in MIssoula. If he hasn't already responded to your post due to his busy schedule, you can contact him at ABurrese@aol.com. Vic Cushing ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:28:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Missoula Martial Arts Kadin, You seem to forget that I have answered questions before for you, and I live and teach in Missoula. Your options in Missoula are: Aikido: I don't know a lot about this club, but have talked to several people who train there and enjoy it. Jim Harrison's school, Sakura Martial Arts. This school is sort of hard core, and Jim teaches kick boxing, judo, ju-jitsu and combined arts geared for the street. Kenpo Karate with Chris Cruise. Chris is a good guy, and I think he runs a good program. Don't know much about it though. Two programs at the University: TKD program is a good program, run under Kim Sol. Heavy into the sport aspect, so if you don't want to compete, you may not want to be there. If you do want to compete, they have some excellent people there to teach you. Judo under Kim Sol. Very good program if you want to learn Judo. Judo is also a sport and you can compete, but it has its uses for self-defense too. If you want a grappling art, Judo is a good one, and Kim Sol is a very good man and teacher. Summit Martial Arts teaches TKD and Combat Hapkido. For a couple reasons I would not recommend this school. Garden City TKD: They have the TKD, that you said you didn't really want. But I run the Hapkido program out of this school, and it is seperate from the TKD program. You are welcome to come and attend a class and check it out when you get in town. There are also a couple other programs in town that don't have a school, they meet different places. One Ju-jitsu program by Marcos is pretty good. He is a good man, and they seem to enjoy and have fun in that program. I could find out more about it if you wanted. If you are wanting self-defense and not sport, I strongly recommend my program. Come in and check it out and see if it is for you. Check out the others in town too. Talk to the instructors, talk to the students, and join a class and see how you like it. But do come and check out my Hapkido class at Garden City TKD. I think you will find it is what you want if you want a good work out, some tradition, and a strong self-defense curriculum. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:56:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Olympic Team Adios SESilz wrote: << Please join me in wishing the best of safety, fortune and success to all the world's teams -- especially ours. >> Happy to join in the good wishes. And to add extra good wishes to Juan, Kay, and Barb who have all instructed at great seminars here in Dayton, OH. Well, heck, if Steven's lucky, he'll also get to come here to a seminar; so, extra good wishes for him as well. : ) Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Lester, Charles (LNG)" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:07:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Cost of Business Steven Silz writes: This dilemma can't be a new one, but, I wonder, are there yet any good answers out there? Steven: You could replace your profession (martial artist) with any self-employed professional (lawyer, doctor, accountant, engineer, etc) and it would be the same account. :-) No, you're not alone in feeling that way. That's why you see many professionals leaving their profession after a period of time. The trick is to understand a number of things: (1) We (and our skills) are worth the price we set for them; (2) No one is ever helped by getting something without payment. Why? Because when someone gets something for free, they attach no value to it. That's why government give-away programs never work, and it's one reason why it's better to teach someone to fish, rather than to give them a fish. The clients who appreciated what I did paid full value for my services; the clients who were the most demanding and the least appreciative were the legal aid freebies. (3) We cannot help someone unless we are taking care of ourselves and our businesses. We entered into whatever profession to help others. But, if we don't ensure that our businesses survive, then we will be unable to help others. More, we must ensure that our businesses thrive--the consequences are spelled out in your description of the loss of your interest in continuing your school, which are not unique to you or to martial arts teachers. If our businesses don't thrive we lose sight of the dream that got us there in the first place. (4) We must separate our desire to help others from the business of running our business. (Very difficult, I admit, but it must be done, or our attitude, and eventually our business, will not survive.) And finally, an adage (that the more I live, the more I appreciate the DEEP wisdom contained in it): GET THE MONEY UP FRONT! (Alain, are you listening? :-) Charles Lester * 937-865-6800, x4935 Lexis-Nexis Bldg. 6, Floor 3, S92 * charles.lester@lexis-nexis.com * clester@quixnet.net ================== Me... a skeptic? I trust you have proof ================== ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:14:08 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #564 A search of the US Patent and Trademark database show that the terms "National Governing Body" and "NGB" are not trademarked in the United States. This means that any group may use these terms for the purpose of organization. The IOC uses them (and others) to define its organization. You are correct in that fact that the Amateur Sports Act of 1978 (that created the USOC) uses the term "national governing body" as the definition of the group representing amateur athletes in a particular sport. However, the ASA does not preclude other organizations from using the term. This would not be limited to sports groups, but also groups such as Lyons International, Elks Clubs or similar organizations. Robert Martin From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:30:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: 2 be or NGB? In a message dated 8/18/00 7:25:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The USTF was the original National Governing Body (NGB) for the ITF in the United States. I believe it was founded by (now) Grand Master Sereff, 'way back when ('68? I'm not sure.) >> You may wish to check with the US Olympic Committee to be certain, but I think I'm safe in saying the term "National Governing Body" is reserved for a single national agency which must meet 2 separate criteria to be considered an NGB. 1. It must have the official recognition of that sport's IF (International Federation), and 2, it must be recognized by that country's "National Olympic Committee" or "NOC." For example, the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA) is the NGB for taekwondo Korea due to its recognition as such by both the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) [which is the IF for taekwondo; check with General Assembly of International Sports Federations GAISF and the International Olympic Committee for details and conditions], and the Korean Amateur Sports Association (KASA), the NOC in South Korea. This dual recognition are mandatory conditions to NGB status. What that means is, let's say that the ATA petitioned for and gained recognition of the WTF. This would not make it taekwondo's NGB in America unless the USOC also granted its recognition to the ATA. However, since by US law (the Amateur Sports Act) only one agency may serve as a sport's NGB at any given time, the current NGB, the USTU, would have to lose its recognition before the ATA, or other agency, could be elevated to NGB status. Perhaps this is more than you cared to know about sports administration, but at least it is now 'yours' to discard if you wish! Since the plethora of organizations such as the USNTF, USTF, ASTA, ATA and ATTA are not, by definition "NGBs," yet these official sounding "titles" may confusing enough to the average martial art enthusiast, I'd like to suggest that we (at least) on Master Ray Terry's forum, adopt a policy that would somehow sidestep this natural confusion whenever possible. Does anyone out there have any simple suggestions to help avoid confusion between an actual martial art NGB and the so-many national martial art companies, federations and organizations? ...How about NGB Vs MAO or MAF? Sincerely, SESilz ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:30:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: MA on MTV and the silver screen ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:20:51 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: martial art (tkd?) in mtv video... I was watching MTV yesterday and I saw this video, I think the band was = the Flaming Lips, where the video consisted of a woman doing what appeared to be tkd forms of some kind. Anyone know any more about this? Donnla. Don't know about that, Donnla, but did you or anybody see the 3 seconds of MA drills in Chicken Run? That and MANY other parts had me ROFLOL. Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: "John Franich" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:27:46 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Cleanliness I was troubled by something that Illona wrote in V7 #564. She said: "...The landlord wouldn't fix a thing. It leaked like a sieve ... we'd freeze in the winter (no heater working) ... and it was hotter than (heck) in the summer (no air conditioning) ... he never cleaned his carpet so it smelled like an old dirty gym locker in there ... dust and cobwebs in the corners .. lights always going out and the landlord wouldn't fix it so we learned to workout with minimal lighting (interesting workouts) ... But he was making money hand over fist in there ... based on his charisma." It seems to me that although the instructor may not have had control over the heating and AC systems, he certainly could have taken charge of the school's cleanliness. We don't rely on our landlord to clean for us. We vacuum and shampoo our carpets ourselves. If the landlord wouldn't replace burned out light bulbs, we would do that ourselves, too. Dust and cobwebs in the corners? Unthinkable! It seems to me that teaching this kind of responsibility is part of the "Do" of our art, is it not? John Franich ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Missoula Martial Arts There is an excellent teacher there who is also on this list. His name is Alain Burrese. He should be the one you are looking for. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:42:25 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #565 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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