From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #573 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 25 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 573 In this issue: the_dojang: TKD & Hapkido on the Knees the_dojang: Re: Kicking dril follow-up the_dojang: Re: Mook Jong or Wing Chun Dummy the_dojang: Re: ITF/WTF the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #572 the_dojang: Re: A. Burrese's query on bag work the_dojang: Hapkido 9th Dans the_dojang: Re: Management Groups the_dojang: Re: black belt ceremony the_dojang: Re: who are USTU members the_dojang: Re: Sept-Oct Blackbelt magazine the_dojang: USTU the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 995 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Cresswell Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:27:15 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: TKD & Hapkido on the Knees Thanks for the informative debate and discussion. I'm new to the Digest, but I know it will certainly be a worthwhile relationship. I am currently studying TKD, and I have been for the past year or so. Took some karate when I was a kid, but got into it seriously again last year. I played football and rugby for years, and to put it lightly my knees are shot. My legs are out of alignment and cause me a fair amount of problems. It's called Patello-Femoral Syndrome and it makes deep knee movement hard with a lot of noise. I have had surgery once to clean it up, but it cannot repair the damage. I have spent a great deal of time in physiotherapy, but I was wondering if anyone has this condition and how they have dealt with it studying martial arts. Secondly I was wondering if Hapkido would be any better for me. The less kicking the better it will be I think. Just wondering.... Thanks, Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Karel van der Walt" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:17:49 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kicking dril follow-up I can just repeat what Master Fabio said 'Worst thing for a beginner is to kick a heavy back - because it closes the mind to the possibility of a second kick' With everything we learn there is something to be unlearned. Kicking slowly teaches the right hip movement & foot position, but it 'teaches' slowness. Teaches speed is a neuro muscular thing but then technique goes out the door. By doing both respectively they start to converge ito speed and technique. C k ------------------------------ From: "Karel van der Walt" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:33:44 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mook Jong or Wing Chun Dummy I made my first dummy in 89. From what I have learned, seen in the meantime the arms should be quite mobile. Purists insists that they can not be made by an amateur beacause the arms wil only produce the right sound if correctly manufactured. They say that a master can tell with closed eyes wether the techniques are correctly executed by listeneing to the sound produced by applying the proper force vectors (sic) to the arms and body. The body must ideally be able to recede and sink when pushed hard. Adaptions I considered for my next model would be spindle mounting the stake so it can pivot slightly(one degree of freedom). Ball-jointing the arms so they can rotate (two degrees of freedom) Compared to the traditional approach the stake now has the complement of movement of original while the arms probably has similar. BTW the Yip Man 108 technique book has an acknowledged out of sequence error. C k ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:12:11 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ITF/WTF > OK, yes, wait a minute. One group letting people from the other group > compete at tournaments is one thing. This is not uncommon. But this > isn't what I meant by 'unification'. Unification means to me that the > two organizations become one; this is what I don't think is very > likely. I _do_ think it's possible to increase cooperation between > the organizations, but I'm not sure what _real_ effect that would have. You are right. I also doubt that one day we will have ONE Taekwondo set of rules under ONE federation. And, to be honest, I doubt if I would really like it. I enjoy both ITF and WTF system of competition, I like both ITF and WTF patterns (with some exceptions in both sets ;). I just feel that the fact that there are two big federations and two main competition formats shouldn`t be that much of a problem. Sadly, some people still see both sides as armies on the battlefield instead of two groups just doing their own thing. In mu country, both ITF and WTF TKD are recognised as separate sports, just like for example tennis and table tennis. There is no law stating that a person doing table tennis can`t go to the Wimbledon (if he or she is good enough). Yet, the ITF group here has a rule that their members are not allowed to compete outside the ITF. Other TKD groups here just don`t care about if ther members do boxing or fencing or whatever. This is not meant against the ITF, if any other group would introduce such a rule, it would upset me as well... > It's not just the politicians. I'm not sure what a unified ITF and > WTF would be. One or the other group would have to be very flexible > about some things; I don't see either of them doing that, as it would > involve changing their definition of what TKD is. Exactly. Therefore I have also my doubts about unified system. I just feel it would be better that we still have two competition formats (just like for example in Karate under WKF - formerly WUKO - and ITKF), but the competitors should be allowed to take part in both - if they wish so. Thanks for an interesting post, Dave! Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: todd miller Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:40:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #572 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > > From: "G. Booth" > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:59:57 +1000 > Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido 9th Dans > > GM Ji has promoted at least 13 people to 9th Degree. He has complete > records of every individual he has promoted from 1st to 9th Degree and the > certificates are numbered in order, eg 9th degree #1 and so on, take a look > at the rear of Dr He Young Kimm's book Hapkido II and you will see his > certificate which is number 11. Some of those people include, > > GM Bong Soo Han > GM Myung, Kwang Sik > GM Kim, Jin Pal > GM He-Young Kimm > > I also believe that recently Jurg was promoted to 9th as well as Yung T. > Freda, GM Ji's sort of right hand man. > > People talk history all the time and forget it is what is happening now in > the Hapkido community that is more important, we are the people who are > going to shape our future, not the instructors who have brought us to now. > As a Hapkidoist it is simple to say all we need to do is "Get on the Mat" > this separates the real Hapkido people from the rest. > > On a side note I was privileged to spend some time talking with Dr He-Young > Kimm on the recent USKMAF Korea/China tour as well as meeting with > Grandmaster Kim, Jung Soo who was Choi, Yong Sul's 9th Student. Both these > men had some interesting things to say on Hapkido and the > formation/creation of what it is we are all studying today. GM Kim also > related to Dr Kimm who the first 10 students where under Choi and his > thoughts on Hapkido, an interesting tour. > > Regards > > Geoff Booth > > International Hapkido Alliance > Australia Hapkido Group > http://hapkido.netro.com.au > >From history we learn about mistakes made and victorys won. I believe that history is very important especially in times when so many claim HIGH rank without the knowledge to back it up. You are right tough Master Booth in that getting on the matt is where it shows what you do or do not know. It was interesting what Master Chae had to say about the early days of Hapkido with the founder as well. Master Chae is the only person to be promoted to 8th dan by Choi and was with the the founder since 49 I believe. I would like to here more about wht what the early student of Choi that you talked with had to say. My best Todd ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: A. Burrese's query on bag work Recently Alain Burrese queried on use of kicking targets in various schools. I do not have the exact verbiage before me. Hence, I may misread what the accurate content was. However, I recall that a concern was practicing only one technique on the bag and the disadvantages of such an approach. This comment was coupled with the issue of never turning your back on an opponent. Response: I am not the best kicker since my 40 plus years have robbed me of youthful responses. However, at least weekly I visit the Ponce De Leone fountain of youth which is located in the right hand corner cabinet in my kitchen. Something mixed with seven up. Anyway... a. I have seen other instructors use target practice for a specific techniqu or kick, re: running side kick, front kick, jumping back kick. b. If the application or class is focusing on a specific technique and the instructor is breaking down a kick in segments then applying the kick to a target bag--this is a good approach in my opinion. c. If the application of a particular kick is supplemented with hand and other leg techniques all the better. d. I have an instructor who is a Tang Soo Do practitioner and he employs what he calls "old technique" with "new technique". This involves the practice of multiple attacks with a turning back fist. Hence, to properly employ this technique your back must be turned for a split second. In my opinion the backfist or hammer fist punch is much more effective and powerful than a straight jab. Also, if you employ a hammer fist against an opponent's hard cranium I believe you may have less chance of breaking your hand. Try it on a wall or punching pad, i.e., punch with a straight jab or cross verus striking with a closed hammer fist (hitting with the beefy side of your hand) ? e. Finally, do any instructors employ basic boxing techniques in their classes, re: hooks, uppercuts, right cross, jab ? Anyone use these techniques with hand mitts or body bags ? Any use of counter strike drills after your opponent has hit you, you duck, and then counter ? In sum, my comments are focusing on the issue that different training modalities and applications vary. There is no one perfect training drill. Thanks, McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:33:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido 9th Dans Anyone that would like to know about GM Ji's 9th Dan Promotions should call him or visit him and just ask him. He is a great guy and will gladly tell you about Hapkido History. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:09:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Management Groups In a message dated 08/24/2000 2:05:55 PM Central Daylight Time, Ray Terry writes: << Anyone out there with their own school using one of the martial arts management groups like EFC, EasyPay, Global Finance, etc? Comments, pro or con? >> I use United Professionals for my billing and consulting. UP has helped me in a variety of ways. Their focus is on building better schools through character development and retention of the students. UP gives each client a "personal coach" from their board of directors, plenty of training and marketing materials sent out monthly, and consulting emails every day. ...So many proven ideas that it's hard to find the time to use them all! If you would like to know more, please send me a private email. Steve Kincade ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:18:46 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: black belt ceremony I guess I agree with Jere. I think the most meaningful part of the ceremony is actually testing for your dan ranks and then receiving a simple promotion by your instructor at the end of a regular class/seminar. Whether your instructor puts your belt on you or not ( I prefer to tie my own belt!), the presence of your winded peers, students, and perhaps your instructor at the end of a sweat-soaked class keeps it simple and meaningful to me. A black belt is a student first and should keep that simple premise and humility in mind. I've been to ceremonies where people got their belts presented in their dress clothes in a banquet format and thought it was so far removed from the Dojang that I was glad it was not me receiving it that way. Also, I don't want to have to swear oaths of fealty as a condition of promotion....my word and my continued presence on the training floor is testimony enough to my dedication to the arts I practice. Oh well, just my thoughts. Like everything else, your preference may just be what you are use to. Dana > >From: "jere-hilland" >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:02:46 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: black belt ceremony > >I was once told that if you make to big a deal over awarding chodan >(ceremony, high fees, etc), that the students may be under the impression >that they are 'finished', that they have reached a giant goal. They may not >realize than just starting as a serious student, you may have a lot of >students who drop out after reaching this 'very important goal'. It has >turned out to be true. Jere R. Hilland > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:20:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: who are USTU members I'm a new USTU member. Sadly, I'm not yet kicking any higher or faster in spite of my cool new USTU patch. :-) - ---begin quoted message--- From: Placace@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:49:25 EDT I was wondering how many on the digest are USTU members? With respect Mike Placace - ---end quoted message--- - ---===--- Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:26:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sept-Oct Blackbelt magazine Yes, the Sept. article by Kim Sol was interesting. Part one of it was in the August issue. He is very knowledgeable and a good man. I was rather upset with Blackbelt this last week. If you check out the October issue, you will see a letter to the editor from me. This was originally longer and written as a guest editorial. It was accepted as a guest editorial, and I received a letter as such. They were supposed to notify me one month in advance of publication as they do with other articles, and I was supposed to get paid for it. Imagine my surprise when I found out it was edited down into a letter that I do not get paid for. I called the editor that accepted the article and found out that Rodney Ley no longer works for Blackbelt. So I talked with Robert Young. He told me that since Rodney was gone, he could not ask him what happened, but that some mix up must have gone on as he left. Since it is already printed, there was nothing he could do now. He apologized and hopes this kind of mix up won't happen again. Oh well, things like this happen I guess. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 8:03:53 PDT Subject: the_dojang: USTU > << It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US > Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 > 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org >>>>>> > > Hello everyone. I am new to list. I been lurking for few weeks. I see > this at end of every digest. I was wondering how many on the digest are USTU > members? It seems Ray Terry is a member. Yes, I am a life member (#92) of the USTU. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 8:06:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #573 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.