To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #579 Sender: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: bulk The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 28 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 579 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Low Kicks the_dojang: Low kicks the_dojang: Re: Low Kicks the_dojang: Re: Circular Vs. Linear Re: the_dojang: Low Kicks the_dojang: RE: USTU Official Ray? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #578 the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #576 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1000+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wallace, John" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:51:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Low Kicks Hi Jason Although the style I practice probably isn't "pure" TKD, we use a number of different applications of the roundhouse kick. For low kicks we generally do a Thai-style shin strike; the range you're working at for an effective low kick favors the angles of that approach. I think you're less likely to damage your foot than with an instep strike. I generally only use the ball of the foot for low kicks when I'm feinting at the opponent's thigh or calf during sparring, setting them up for a follow up high-roundhouse. If the low kick connects, great (no points, but they'll be slowed some and will be even more likely to fall for the feint again). I really wouldn't go after a hard target like a knee with the ball-of-the-foot strike, I think its better suited for soft-tissue masses and higher zones. I have no idea what Kyokushin practicioners do. - -JW - -----Original Message----- From: "JASON SCHOFIELD" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:59:47 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Low Kicks Hi folks. I was wondering if anyone on the list knows whether the Kyokushin stylists snap their low roundhouse kicks. I had heard that their low roundhouses are different from the Thai style, but that's all I know. Also do any of the TKD/HKD people on the list do low roundhouses? If so, do you snap the kick and what do you hit with (shin, instep, ball of foot)? In the school I attend we've been taught to use the ball of the foot to attack the thigh and side of the knee, but when I was doing HKD I believe we did use the shin some. Thanks. Jason Schofield ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:28:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Low kicks In reply to the following post: > Also do any of the TKD/HKD people on the list do low roundhouses? If so, do > you snap the kick and what do you hit with (shin, instep, ball of foot)? In > the school I attend we've been taught to use the ball of the foot to attack > the thigh and side of the knee, but when I was doing HKD I believe we did > use the shin some. Thanks. > > Jason Schofield Hello Jason: Kong Shin Bup students (old Kuk Sool Won Hap Ki Do) at my schools use a wide variety of low kicks, and we also employ various parts of the foot/leg to make impact with. However, I always teach my students to choose the right tool for the job. For instance, we normally attack from the lead leg with the top of the foot in order to minimize the impact to the small bones in the foot (like a boxer uses the jab). For full power strikes, we may use a part of the anatomy that can sustain the impact more readily (the shin or ball of the foot), and we may also employ the full range (rear leg, like a boxer uses his rear arm for his power shots). For similar reasons, we normally would not attack a hard part of our opponent with one of our own soft parts. In the case of street use, we teach what parts of the footwear is best utilized. In all cases, situations dictate our responses. To preserve the historial aspects of our art, we continue to teach the more exotic strikes such as toe kicking and finger spears. Indeed, I allow some of my students to train their anatomy to withstand the trauma of using these fragile parts of the body. However, I never allow students under the age of 18 to make impact with the growing plates of their bones, and our Junior Black Belts must complete some of the breaking parts of their Black Belt tests after they reach maturity. (NKMAA certification differentiates between recreational Black Belts and professional Black Belts.) Although breaking with these fragile parts were a standard part for tests etc., and in my old school you failed any test unless you completed all breaks, I no longer demand this to avoid injury to my young students (who trust me to do look after their safety). For the same reasons, I also stopped demanding the breaking of glass bottles etc. Occasionally, I still do these breaks in demos, but I am becoming more reluctant to even do this because children often imitate what they see in demos. Now, I mostly do it in private to keep up my own training. Getting a little off the subject, but touching on my reasons for downgrading the importance of some of these exotic kicks to the preservation of old traditions and techniques (rather than for practical self-defense applications). IMHO, Martial arts are evolving, and even some of the old dinosours like myself must evolve with it. The reasons for studying martial arts are no longer tied to life or death situations in the same way they used to be, and most people now study martial arts for pleasure. Anger management, danger recognition, and understanding how easy it is to hurt (or be hurt) is more appropriate to self-defense these days, failing to recognize this is like burying your head in the sand. Today, you might win a street fight, only to lose your life a few hours later when your opponent returns with his gun and blows you away (along with whomever might stand in the way). Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:15:01 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Low Kicks >From: "JASON SCHOFIELD" >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:59:47 GMT >Subject: the_dojang: Low Kicks > >Also do any of the TKD/HKD people on the list do low roundhouses? > >Thanks. > Jason Schofield > We do practice some low roundhouse kicks, but more in hapkido than in taekwondo. We use ball, instep, or shin, depending on the drill and the "target". We don't practice them all that often, though. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:17:19 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Circular Vs. Linear An opinion question for all: Which type of kick is your favorite, circular or linear, and why? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:51:57 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Low Kicks > Hi folks. I was wondering if anyone on the list knows whether the > Kyokushin stylists snap their low roundhouse kicks. I had heard that their > low roundhouses are different from the Thai style, but that's all I know. Actually, I thought Kyokushinkai folks did their shin kicks the muay Thai way. i.e. with follow-thru instead of snap. ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:07:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: USTU Official Ray? As an ITF'er I love to say this -- GO USA! Gold medals in TKD! I've learned alot about the USTU because of my involvement on this list. Haven't joined yet but sent an donation in some time ago. Good Luck Team USA Robert Martin ITF/USTF 4th Dan From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:38:18 EDT Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:52:54 PDT Subject: the_dojang: USTU Official Ray? In a message dated 8/24/00 10:14:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello everyone. I am new to list. I been lurking for few weeks. I see this at end of every digest. I was wondering how many on the digest are USTU members? It seems Ray Terry is a member. I was wondering if you hold official position in state or national? You seem like big supporter of USTU. With respect Mike Placace >> Dear Mr. Placace and curious readers: I have been a reader of Mr. Terry's list for about two years and I know that Ray is not an employee or an "official" of the USTU. It seems, rather, that Mr. Terry is dedicated to doing things properly, appropriately, and officially as much as possible. If I may be so bold as to venture a comment about his apparent support of the USTU, it is simply due to the fact that the USTU is the sole national governing body for taekwondo in America operating under the formal mandate(s) of both the WTF and the USOC. (The WTF and USOC both operate in cooperation with the International Olympic Committee, as well. Furthermore, unlike most associations promoting martial arts in the US that appear to function with the personal aggrandizement and financial enrichment of its "Grandmaster," as their primary mission. Conversely, the USTU is a board-run, non-for-profit agency that exists to serve the taekwondo practitioners of America without financial gain to is founders and directors. I think Ray is wise to recognize the uniqueness of the USTU when it is viewed in comparison to the plethora of MA associations advertising their rank-certification programs and services on the pages of the typical Martial Arts rag. Naturally I could be wrong about Mr. Terry here and I stand ready to be flogged for it if need be. But these are the primary reasons I feel it's important for those of us in taekwondo to support and empower the USTU as it's truly the "Real Deal." Sincerely, SESilz ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:25:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #578 In a message dated 8/28/2000 10:09:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Also do any of the TKD/HKD people on the list do low roundhouses? If so, do you snap the kick and what do you hit with (shin, instep, ball of foot)? >> Yes, we (HKD) do low roundhouse and jump low roundhouse. We hit w/ instep, not snapping, but using the whole body twisting into the kick, dropping our weight with the weight staying forward to provide maximum impact using our body weight. ~S~ ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #576 > From: "Carl W" > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #575 > > > What felony conviction? I haven't heard about that. > > It was a Canadian conviction of "conspiracy" re: a plot to > asassinate a S. Korean politician. It occurred back in the late > 80's, early 90's I believe. I have heard thru the grapevine that > it was revenge for what the S. Korean gov't did to General Choi but > that is only speculation. He did his time. When he was released he > was presented with his 8th dan. OK, I had heard something about this through the grapevine as well; I just didn't know how much of it to believe. ;-) Thanks for the info. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:38:01 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #579 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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