From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #590 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 13 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 590 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #588 the_dojang: Oz members ? the_dojang: Hwarang, 'Flower Boys' the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #588 [none] the_dojang: Re: your mail the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Longbro2@cs.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:45:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #588 Bernard, If I had the tickets i would take you with me. Hell, I would love to be there. But a video is the next best thing. ALAN << Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:18:55 +1000 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #587 (fwd) Subject: the_dojang: Olympics I'm wondering if anyone will be recording the TKD events at the Olympic Games. I know that most of it is not going to be on TV. However, I'm looking for someone that may be able to get the whole four days of preliminary rounds Sep 27,28,29, and 30. ** I'd be more than happy to record it all for you...if you wanted to shout me the tickets! Bernard Australia >> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:51:34 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Oz members ? Do we have any list subscribers in Oz that will be attending the Olympic TKD events? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:14:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Hwarang, 'Flower Boys' I just picked up a good book from the Department of East Asian Studies, University of Durham. Korea: A Historical and Cultural Dictionary, Keith Pratt and Richard Rutt. The entry on the Hwarang is interesting and agrees with a past article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts. Hwarang: 'Flower Boy' or 'Elite Youth' Groups of teenage boys in Silla, apparently religious in origin, who banded together to sing and dance in famous scenic places. Their ideal was called p'ungwolto ('way of wind and moon'), the original meaning of which is not clear. They are recorded in AD 596, but the date is problematical and they probably existed earlier. Mutually irreconcilable legends in Samguk sagi and Samguk yusa say that the first groups were female. Their purpose was evidently educational. They received instruction in morals and music and visited famous mountains. Ch'oe Ch'iwon said their teaching combined Confucian, Buddhist, and Daoist elements. Samguk yusa says they learned the Five Relationships, the Six Arts, the Three Scholarly Occupations, and the Six Ways of Government Service. Nothing is known of their organisaation, except that their leader was called kukson ('national immortal'). They painted their faces and wore jewelled shoes. They did not remain hwarang for life. Since 1945 (not before), it has been commonly assumed that their primary purpose was military, though there is no justification for this in the sources. Among about 30 hwarang who are named, only five are described as soldiers in later life (see Kim Yusin; Kwanch'ang; Sadaham). There are no records of military training or of hwarang as warrior groups. (Translating hwarang as 'knight' begs further questions by introducing inappropriate concepts from European military chivalry.) Nor were the 'Five commandments for laymen' (Sesok Ogye) given by Monk Won'gwang (d. c. 630) specifically intended for hwarang, though they are sometimes taken to have been so. In the Choson dynasty the word hwarang came to mean shaman, plaboy, or prostitute, but connections between this and the Silla institution have not been established. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:45:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #588 In a message dated 9/12/00 8:27:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Anywhere one could get a copy of this? >> Yes ! I would love to have a copy of this also !!!! Illona ------------------------------ From: "jason cremer" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:09:33 EST Subject: [none] I am very interested in the Han Ma Dang could you please send me any infomation on it or explain how to locate it . Thanks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 7:18:10 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: your mail > I am very interested in the Han Ma Dang could you please send me any > infomation on it or explain how to locate it . Thanks The info was in issue v07.n586. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 7:20:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #590 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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