From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #597 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 18 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 597 In this issue: the_dojang: Olympics TKD the_dojang: Knife hand strike phrases and Olympic TKD coverage Re: the_dojang: help with terminology the_dojang: England's TKD hope the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #596 the_dojang: History the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:38:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Olympics TKD In a message dated 9/17/00 5:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cory wrote: << On the TKD at the Olympics does anyone happen to know the schedual to when its going to be aired here in the states. Preferably in Indiana? (or do they air it all the same everywhere?) >> MSNBC will be showing TKD during the 10pm to 5am coverage on Sept. 27th. Be aware that ALL NBC coverage is tape delayed. In other words, you'll be seeing what happened about 10 hours earlier. Right now, I understand the plan is to show only the women's under 49kg category, which is Kay Poe's division. Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: joneskh@purdue.edu Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:40:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Knife hand strike phrases and Olympic TKD coverage > #1 Single Knife hand strike Han sonnal mok chigi > #2 Double Knife hand strike Sonnal mok chigi The phrasing also depends on where the knife hand strike will be striking...the neck or what? As far as I know, those phrases are correct. I've checked the nbcolympics.com website, and here at Purdue we don't have MSNBC that I know of...........and....I checked the schdules and they are showing 49kg.> women's category on 27 Sep anywhere between 1000-1700 EDT on MSNBC. (If there's anybody else who knows whether or not Purdue dorm cable gets MSNBC, please feel free to correct me!) Kim p.s. - I miss Korea a lot....what's up with the typhoon season over there? First Typhoon Prapiroon and then "super storm" Saomai... ------------------------------ From: Longbro2@cs.com Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:57:14 EDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: help with terminology Carmelo, This is what I know for a knife hand strike "son-nal chigi" "chi-gi" meaning strikes and punches "son-nal" meaning knife hand not sure on the double. I would imagine whatever the word is for double in Korean would be used in there. ALAN In a message dated 9/17/2000 5:19:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Carmelo Gauci" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:29:45 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: help with terminology What are the proper Korean names for the following please : #1 Single Knife hand strike #2 Double Knife hand strike I appreciate any help, thankyou. Carmelo Gauci >> ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:11:46 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: England's TKD hope From the national 'The Independent.' Good to see TKD receiving some national coverage. Andrew Stevenson finding it hard to be cruel Britain's taekwondo hope has ability to win medal in Sydney but needs to channel her aggression to dominate an opponent. By Nick Harris 8 September 2000 Given that she could snap your neck with one swift kick to the head, Sarah Stevenson is an extraordinarily mild-mannered teenager. "Oh, I can't punch, I'm terrible at punching," says the 17-year-old – Britain's taekwondo hope in Sydney – as The Independent's photographer tries to set up some pictures at her training base, the Doncaster Dome. "Well, how about you kick him?" asks the photographer, seeking a shot of the fighter making contact with her coach's training glove. "You want me to kick him?" she asks. "Yep, just kick him," says the photographer, and kneels a few inches behind the coach, pointing his lens towards the shot. Stevenson spins round and smashes her foot into the padded glove with a crack so resounding it echoes around the room. Then she stands, hands by her side, looking slightly embarrassed. The photographer stares for a second before asking: "You got any spare body armour, Sarah?" Such reactions are not new to Stevenson, who has been competing against and beating older opponents ever since taking up her sport at six. Yet still she cannot comprehend herself as tough. "I'm quite shy actually," she says. "And I don't like hurting people." Her coach, Gary Sykes, shakes his head in fond disbelief and adds: "She's come out of the ring six or seven points up before and said to me: 'I don't want to hurt her any more'. "I'm saying to her: 'Knock her out, Sarah, and you won't have to.' But a lot of the time she won't because she doesn't have to in order to win. If it's a top-class match she'll do it, but otherwise, not a chance." Sarah looks on in silence, a slight smile on her lips. "I've got this girl here who really doesn't believe how good she can be," Sykes adds. "If she did, the gold medal in Sydney wouldn't be a problem. It's all a matter of belief." At least Stevenson is not alone in her reticence to use violence, as a recent reworking of the rules has shown. Taekwondo? Shykwondo would be more appropriate, it seems. In contests these days – which consist of three rounds of three minutes, with three judges awarding a point per hit to either the head or the body – you can be deducted half a point for not looking fierce enough. "You've got to look as if you want to go forward, look aggressive," says Stevenson. "It makes it more explosive. Otherwise you get people just looking at each other and not going for it." At least Stevenson has a history of achievement while not overtly appearing to go for it. "I was never very good at moving up the grades and didn't start proper fighting until I was 10," she says. "I got my black belt at 11 and then went to my first international tournament, in Germany, soon after." She pauses. "Actually, I shouldn't have been there," she adds, "because it was up to age 18 and officially I was too young. But I got a silver anyway." A senior tournament in Spain followed at 13. "I thought she was that good that I'd start her early," says Sykes. "Because of her height [she's always been tall for her age and is 5ft 10in now] I could get away with it." By 1998, and at the ripe old age of 15, Stevenson was so dominant in her age group that no one was able to take a point off her as she blitzed her way to becoming the junior world champion. Last year, at 16, she added the junior European title, took a bronze at the senior World Championships and then booked her slot at the Olympics by winning another bronze at the sport's senior qualifying event in Croatia. After the latter event, her parents bought her a puppy, a female border collie/springer spaniel cross, called Sydney. "She rips the wallpaper and tears holes in the lino, but she's very sweet really," says the dog's owner. "There's also this huge rotweiller next door she teases through the gate." Talking about how she'll handle her own forthcoming challenge, Stevenson is confident. "It feels important," she says, "to be so young and representing your country at the biggest event you could ever dream of going to." The Olympics represent six years of sacrifices for her and her family, not least her mum, Diana, a sales assistant with a local company, and her dad, Roy, a rope bridge manufacturer. "They've been brilliant, ever since I've been going to internationals aged 11," says Stevenson. "They've done everything for me, from car boot sales to asking local firms for help in supporting me any way they can. "And I've done all my training for the past year for this chance. Six days a week of running, working out, aerobic work, weights. And I've taken a year off school [after passing nine GCSEs last summer] for this. This is what it's for. And if I fight my best I can win a medal." As a warm-up for the Games, Stevenson entered last month's junior Olympics in the United States "to try some things out in training and that," according to Sykes. She won at a canter, of course, but can she repeat that form against the 11 older women in her 57kg-67kg group in Australia? "The Koreans are good," says Sykes, looking to see how his protégé responds to him talking up the opposition. "And Sarah lost to the Spaniard in Croatia last year." It is now that Stevenson pipes up. "I'd already qualified so I wasn't really trying," she says. "It would be different if I needed to." For a moment she is almost feisty. Almost. ------------------------------ From: Meteor2000@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:39:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #596 In a message dated 9/17/00 9:19:38 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: The_dojang: Hwarang, 'Flower Boys' From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:13:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Hwarang, 'Flower Boys' From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:14:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Hwarang, 'Flower Boys' I just picked up a good book from the Department of East Asian Studies, University of Durham. Korea: A Historical and Cultural Dictionary, Keith Pratt and Richard Rutt. The entry on the Hwarang is interesting and agrees with a past article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts. Hwarang: 'Flower Boy' or 'Elite Youth' << I waited for someone to comment on this, but no one has, which leads me to a serious subject: namely a Martial Art's History and background.>> Some system's history is simple and straightforward, and can be easily traced back to the founder. Other systems histories are less clear, and are twisted to suit someone's needs. How many so-called Ninja schools were there when the ninja craze was going full-bore in the 80's? Over the years, some instructors have built up elaborate and detailed histories of their system that have nothing to do with reality. And frankly that is a concern. If you can't trust the history given, how can you trust anything else related to the system? Now, this isn't the first time that I have seen discussion concerning the actual historical reality of the Hwarang. Does that mean that the history of the system is a fraud, designed to give an impression it doesn't deserve? I don't know. I have read several articles that have the Hwarang as real warriors, serving Korea the same way the Samurai served Japan. Are Keith Pratt and Richard Rutt correct in this matter, or is GM Lee? It seems that reality in the martial arts these days is based on perception. And perception is a shifting pile of sand that is always changing form and structure depending on the prevailing wave. Yesterday's Ninja school is Today's NHB school of grappling, complete with a different history and traditions. True, Martial Arts are not a static set that never changes -- that why it called an ART. But there has to be a well defined history that is always consistent -- yesterday, today and tomorrow. History defines a sense of purpose, of belonging and being part of something better then yourself. With a sense of history, it is a look into the past, to see when the Art has been and where it is going, and what is added along the way. Without history, traditions and philosophy, the Martial Arts are nothing more then teaching someone how to kill and cripple someone else. And that maybe is what we have to remember. Craig>> Check out this page on Hwarangdo and Joo Bang Lee, click the Blue hyper link at the bottom of the page for "A Personal History by Bob Duggan" HWA RANG DO: A PERSONAL HISTORY http://www.csn.net/hwarang/Contemporary.html ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:58:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: History A recent post concerning history: > But there has to be a well defined history that is > always consistent -- yesterday, today and tomorrow. History defines a sense > of purpose, of belonging and being part of something better then yourself. > With a sense of history, it is a look into the past, to see when the Art has > been and where it is going, and what is added along the way. As a transplanted Dutchman (with a curiosity about history in general), I had a unique opportunity to take history lessons in Holland and later in Canada and the US. As I grew older, it became very apparent to me that history appears to be a testament of those who write it rather than what actually happened. Dutch history books proudly proclaim a superior naval heritage, and they are filled with accounts of heroic deeds by Dutch Admirals Tromp and De Ruyter (who never made it into any Canadian (read English here) historical accounts describing the same battles). Oddly enough, Canadian versions described Admiral Nelson as being the main man of the seven seas. After more reading, I found that neither Dutch nor English history made much mention of the Spanish, French, or Portugese naval feats. This led me to conclude that the truth was glossed over to best fit the country that produced the books. After looking at the colonization and/or discovery of much of the world, I formed my own opinions on naval history. Historical accounts of both countries are not supported by geographical facts. I am afraid that the truth about Korean martial art history has befallen the same fate as the questionable historical accounts of English and Dutch history books. I have resigned myself to believing any historical account that is written (by anyone who can benefit) with the appropriate amount of reservations. While this may seem cynical, it beats being bamboozled by historical accounts that cannot be substantiated. I agree that there should be an historical martial arts account that is well defined and consistent yesterday, today, and forever. Having practiced for fifty years made me realize that this is whishful thinking. I am afraid that the best we can do for martial art history is to live our own in a truthful manner, and preserve all documentation to back it up. Sincerely, Rudy, Kwan Jang ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 6:31:40 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #597 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.