From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #606 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 21 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 606 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #603 the_dojang: Re: Chatter the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #605 the_dojang: Sam's question the_dojang: Non-U.S. Olympic Judo the_dojang: Re: HwaRangDo the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #605 the_dojang: Dakin's Bios the_dojang: Head butting the_dojang: Re: Mr. Burdick=Dissertation the_dojang: new army combatives the_dojang: Re: hwarangdo the_dojang: learning Korean the_dojang: Olympic MA suggestion Re: the_dojang: Olympic MA suggestion the_dojang: survey the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Franich" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:37:46 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #603 You want chatter, Ray? Here, you can listen to my teeth chatter as we head toward winter here in Fairbanks, Alaska. It's only about 40 degrees today and we expect snow soon... I am a lawyer who has been practicing almost as long as Alain Burrese has been training, and training only a little longer than he has been studying law. :-) As to training, I attend 2 to 4 classes per week with Master Larry Wick at Fairbanks Academy of Tang Soo Do. www.fairbankstangsoodo.com I am a Cho Dan Bo (midnight blue belt). I got started in Tang Soo Do shortly after my children began training 4 years ago. After sitting on the bench watching them for 2 hours a day, I decided to join the fun. Only my eldest son continued training and we will have the pleasure (?) of testing together for our black belts next spring. He'll be 19 when we test. I'll be 48. We also had the privilege of performing together on our demo team at the WTSDA 2000 World Championships in Anaheim last month, where our team won the creativity division. That was quite an honor. We had students performing who ranged in age from 5 year old white belts to ... well ... as I think about it I realize that I may have been the oldest person on our demo team, although I am not the oldest student who competed in Anaheim. Head butts are not part of our style, so we don't learn them as part of our formal training. We do include them when we have the occasional "street fighting" sessions. No one is permitted to break anything with their head, though. At least I have never seen anyone do it at our school. Tang Soo! John Franich jfranich@email.com ------------------------------ From: Jerry Lynde Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:00:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chatter Looks like I'd better jump in here. 1) I'm only a dozen years over 18... but I have the spirit of a 23 year old... or something. :o) 2) Well, not nervous actually. I usually feel like I don't have anything to ontribute to the discussion, most of the time I'm here to listen and learn (much like the rest of my life) and when I feel like I can/should contribute, I do/will. 3) Right now I attend 6 classes a week, three "beginner" classes and three "advanced" classes. The reason being that my old school, Garden City Family Tae Kwon Do, closed about a month ago. Mr.Rosbarsky (sp is fuzzy here) was good enough to extend an invitation to all of us as the school closed and I am among many who accepted the offer and joined Big Sky Taekwondo ( http://www.bstkd.com/ ). The instructors are phenominal and the training is intense. Anyway, getting back to the reason for the beginner classes (I'm holding a 6th Kyup Green Belt) is that the style is subtly different than what I am used to. Also, my roundhouse is not what it should be, and the focus on the basics is really helping everything. Nothing helps like making the foundation firmer, or so it seems. :o) Would I do more if I could? Yes.. I probably would. Anyone in the Missoula area want to get together on Saturday mornings? :o) Jer ------------------------------ From: Sarah Pride Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:58:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #605 Wow, lots of chatter going on here! I love it! :) >Hi Sarah, what form are you on now? I am learning Taeguek Sam Jang. In >our school I am a high purple belt (purple with a black stripe). I am on Tae Geuk Oh Jang. In the school my family goes to, I am a purple belt. (Belts go white, yellow, orange, green, purple, blue, brown, red, black-belt recommended, black.) So basically, I am a 6th gup. My whole family, eight kids of us, has been doing TKD since December of last year. I finally cajoled my dad into starting this month. :) >(3) My son goes to 3 classes (45min each) and takes a sparring class on >Friday nights (1hr). He is allowed to help at the beginners class, behavior >permitting. I asked my instructor, Mr. WooSop Moore, back when I was a green belt if I could help out when I get a little higher. He said, "Maybe," so I hope so. :) To all you army people, I am currently in the process of applying to West Point. Let's see.. Did I want to say anything else? Oh yes - several years ago, long before we started TKD, my older brother and I did judo a bit. However I was, shall I say, slightly less than fit at the time. So I wimped out. :P Some time I want to get back into that. - -Sarah Pride- ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:05:09 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Sam's question >My question come about from a conversation I had with a third dan that >watched my class. After which I asked for a critique and any ideas he >had >about the class. He told me that I do not push the students hard >enough, >and that kids really don't listen too well to explanations >about why you >need to pivot completely, extend fully, blah blah etc >etc. He indicated I >need to have them kick, kick, kick, and then kick >some more. Technique >will come over time. What do you folks say? >Sam Stratton >WTF 1st dan I think that this is not an either/or matter. How can a child "kick, kick, kick and then kick some more" if they don't know how to kick in the first place? They have to know the basic mechanics of a front kick, turning kick, side kick, etc. before they can do it in sparring, patterns, or drills. At the same time, if we are talking about young kids (under 7, maybe?) it will take a lot longer to get them to develop good form. When I am teaching (and this goes for children and adults) I try to point out one or two things that they MUST fix. When they do improve make sure they get praised for it. It's easy to sit there for the entire class and pick apart someone's techniques showing them everything they are doing wrong, but this isn't going to motivate everyone (unless they're something of a masochist ;). Besides, limiting your critique is good for two things: 1) doesn't make the students feel like they don't do ANYTHING right, and 2) allows them to actually absorb what you're telling them. Don't sell the kids short as far as thinking they all don't listen. I have met some junior members who are excellent technicians and who love doing Taekwon-Do. Granted, there aren't as many of these students as I'd like, but they're out there. Part of the trick is knowing your audience. Observe when they are getting the point and when they are just getting bored (that's when it's time to switch gears). Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:08:39 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Non-U.S. Olympic Judo Does anyone know how countries other than the U.S. are doing in the Judo competition? I am especially interested in Japan and Korea (home of the ever popular "Yudo"). I have heard that these two countries usually have some pretty heated matches between each other. Also, does anyone know if North Korea is competing in Judo? Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:13 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: HwaRangDo At 01:38 AM 9/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >As I understand it, Lee Joo Bang used the name hwarang only for marketing >purposes and admits that his art, a form of kuksool and hapkido, has nothing >to do with the hwarang of old. I do not remember who told me that about a >year ago. Exactly my estimate after watching his two sons demonstrate this "ancient" fighting art at UCLA a few years ago. SOS. b ------------------------------ From: Jerry Lynde Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:18:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #605 At 10:55 AM 9/21/2000, Sam wrote: >My question come about from a conversation I had with a third dan that >watched my class. After which I asked for a critique and any ideas he had >about the class. He told me that I do not push the students hard enough, and >that kids really don't listen too well to explanations about why you need to >pivot completely, extend fully, blah blah etc etc. He indicated I need to >have them kick, kick, kick, and then kick some more. Technique will come >over time. What do you folks say? I agree with regards to kids. Of course there are differences in dedication, attention span, etc. but the kid whose training I'm most familiar with (my daughter) would just start looking around while you explain pivoting and full extension and aiming past your target and so forth. As for adults, however, the focus on good technique is exactly why I'm going to beginner classes again. The instructors at my new school ( http://www.bstkd.com/ ) focus on the details of movement in a way that I haven't been exposed to previously. That emphasis on proper technique is helping immensely. I guess it comes down to who you're teaching. Are the students paying attention and grasping the material? If so, I'd say stick with it. Otherwise, maybe more repetitive action is called for. In general, I'd think that a third dan would know what he's talking about. :o) There's my humble $.02 that you asked for. :o) Jer ------------------------------ From: William Hayes Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:31:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Dakin's Bios From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:43:47 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: bios Dakin: <<..., 3rd madang in t'aekkyon, ...>> Dakin, what is "3rd Madang"? What color? Equivalency? Madang for me is "form". We have 8 madang and I only know 1-5 madang. - - William Hayes ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:33:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Head butting On an outside note...One thing to remember while executing a head-butt is to roll your tongue so that the bottom of it is flat against the roof of the mouth, thereby tightening some of the muscles in the neck to lessen the "whiplash" effect on the butt-er and increase the impact to the butt-ee...Another point is that the INTENT to do harm to the recipient is what determines who gets the effect of the strike, since both parties actually share the same impact, for example, while the person executing the strike is thinking "take that!", the one receiving the strike is going "crap!, this is going to hurt!".... On a final note, remember that there are some of us that have brain cells to spare and some others that, because of one too many headbutts, will turn themselves into talking monkeys. Be careful..... J. R. West.. www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mr. Burdick=Dissertation Mr. Burdick stated, in part: Response # 1= Mr. Burdick, very impressive credentials. I would love to obtain a copy of your dissertation which is a public document ? Please advise how and cost. Response # 2= great to see individuals posting about their backgrounds and training regimen. Encourages me to stay off the booze and go work out, which I plan to do in about 15 minutes at the local Y. Response # 3= I have to keep a low profile right now. It seems I have angered some Kuk Sool Won zealots on another list. Then my sick sense of humor annoyed others. So I am in a positive, be nice mode. This should last about 48 hours. Then I will be back to my normal virulent self. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:32:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: new army combatives << the new Army combatatives program >> Request more info on the program. W5? Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:03:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: hwarangdo From what I understand, both Lee, Joo Bang & Suh, In Hyuk studied under Choi, Yong Sul. Anyway here are a couple of websites I found with the official Hwarangdo perspective. The first is about ancient & modern Hwarangdo; the second is about how modern Hwarangdo came to be. http://www.hwarangdo.com/hrd1.htm http://www.hwarangdo.com/hrd2.htm >From: "jere-hilland" >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:56:00 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: hwarangdo > >As I understand it, Lee Joo Bang used the name hwarang only for marketing >purposes and admits that his art, a form of kuksool and hapkido, has nothing >to do with the hwarang of old. I do not remember who told me that about a >year ago. Jere _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:08:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: learning Korean Ok, here's some more chatter. Recently I stumbled across the Berlitz Korean course in the library. It's basically a phrase book with tape, & it all went in one ear & out the other. After that I went hunting to see if there were any other Korean resources in the library, & I found a course called Teach Yourself Korean, which I'm finding to be rather effective. I can now read the hangul on my dohbok & even say some things in Korean which are NOT related to causing bodily harm. Anyone else have suggestions for self-study Korean courses? ~Daniel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:28:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Olympic MA suggestion Wouldn't it be cool if martial arts in the Olympics was run similar to gymnastics? What I mean is, in gymnastics the athletes must be well rounded, and perform in 5 different events. In current TKD competition, there is only the sparring. For example, athletes would need to perform in forms, breaking, weapons, sparring, one-steps, self-defense, etc. You get my point? Wouldn't it be much more interesting that way? The winners would be determined similar to Gymnastics, where all your scores would be added up from the different events to come up with one over-all winner. Wouldn't that give a much better picture of the overall skills of martial artists and make it much more interesting and competitive? Did I just make a blasphemous suggestion? Will I be burned at the stake for even suggesting that martial artists know how to use more than just their feet? Ray- please don't kick me off this list!!! Mac ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:13:11 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Olympic MA suggestion > Did I just make a blasphemous suggestion? Will I be burned at the stake > for even suggesting that martial artists know how to use more than just > their feet? Ray- please don't kick me off this list!!! Your days are numbered... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Katy Chen Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:07:58 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: survey ok i have some free time... 1. I am 27 years old. 2. I read the digest everyday and share interesting news with my classmates. I usually respond privately. 3. I go to class everyday after work and on Saturday mornings sometimes. I help out with the kids classes as well. I am usually at the dojang from 5:30 in teh afternoon until 8:30 at night. If i could, I would train at lunch at theSan Francisco headquarters once a week, but it's hard to get myself over there and parking is a hassle. and i work 9-5 everyday about 30 miles north of San Francisco. -Jenny :) donutzz@itsa.ucsf.edu I do Taekwondo/Hapkido/Kumdo at our school. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:40:13 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #606 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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