From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #610 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 610 In this issue: the_dojang: Kid's class the_dojang: Combatives the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #609/ Hand to Hand in the Army the_dojang: Coach Han Lee Re: the_dojang: Coach Han Lee the_dojang: Re: TKD in Boston the_dojang: Re:Line the_dojang: Re: stretch machines the_dojang: Re: Army Combatives the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sam Stratton" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:47:31 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Kid's class This list is a great resource! Thanks Ray... Thank you all for your inputs, I tried a compromise: after warm ups (jogging, push-ups, and sit-ups) and stretching, during basic kicks I have the kids pound 'em out hard and fast - I've found that the louder the ki-hap the stronger the kick. After the basic kicks were done, (Stretch kicks - up, out and in - front, round, side, turn snap, and step-side - 10 of each on each side) The kids were breathing hard. I gave them a two minute break, then I focused on the kicks that needed improvement the most ( side and turn snap). Afterwhich speed drills and bag kicking. This worked pretty well, and I ended up with a bunch of sweaty kids :D I think I will alternate the 2nd 1/2 of the class to include self defense, blocking, and combinations but doing the basics hard and fast (and LOUD) -after warming up- really gets the kids going! Kamsahamnida! Sam "Sweat is Good" Stratton WTF 1st dan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:49:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Combatives Jim Mahan pointed out that TSPs (training support packages) were different from the Combatives manual (thanks Jim!), which of course is understandable. The old combatives system taught the Navy at Annapolis (their old "Unarmed Combat" book from 1943) always surprised me as to how much they tried to cover in a short period of time. Jim, is there a move to modify the TSPs? And where would that move come from? Is Ed Thomas involved in that one? Or Dr. Maung Gyi? I know Dr. Gyi has very specific ideas about what combatives training includes, and as a ranger I assume you are familiar with Dr. Gyi. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick PS: For those of you who have emailed me asking where to find the Combatives manual on the web, go to: http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-150/toc.htm ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:12:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #609/ Hand to Hand in the Army Hi I would like to throw my 2 cents worth in on the Hand to Hand training I received in Basic Training in Ft. Hood Tx back in the summer of 1991. I first of all was one of those guys who loved Basic Training I didnt find it difficult at all and in fact would do it again if I could. But I do remember when they told us we were going to be doing "advanced" hand to hand I was like "hell yeah", but to my demise I was truley imbarrased to see what they were teaching at that time I was already a Black Belt in Karate and man o man I was really shocked to see that what they showed us was "advanced" those techniques in actual combat would get you or I wasted or killed in seconds, in my eyes we were better left alone not learning those specific techniqes. I remember one move inparticular it was from Judo Im certain but the opponent attacks you and you fall kicking him over you while you are on the ground, now that may work for sport but man come on this is combat were supposed to be learning for. Another was a knife disarm kind of a cheap lock and throw that was totally out of control In fact I remember getting in trouble for advancing and doing my own version of what we were supposed to be doing... But at least it worked. I have been reading this small thread on the military training and basic training hand to hand, and I had to talk about it, still to this day I am in shock of what they teach. NOW in the Army Rangers and Special Forces, Seal team etc.... I hear they actually get down with the training and teach some good skilled hand to hand although I didnt make it to any of those areas while in duty (never tried) but as far as for Basic Training it was a Joke in my eyes. And again this is my Own Opinion.... I dont want to disrespect anyone on the panel or list but if you are Uncle Sam I beleive a new system needs to be added in that category. C.B. ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:54:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Coach Han Lee From: "M R" Jedi Trickz Subject: the_dojang: www.CoachHanLee.com, and chatter <> Hey Mr Jedi, You may want to check with Master Mike Kuns (makuns@irondragon.com), who has those videos. He has also hosed Coach Han Lee at his dojang as well and would be able to give you some good feedback. Mac ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:46:47 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Coach Han Lee > You may want to check with Master Mike Kuns (makuns@irondragon.com), who > has those videos. He has also hosed Coach Han Lee at his dojang as well > and would be able to give you some good feedback. He hosed Coach Lee or he hosted him? Counting down your days left w/us... :) I have tapes 1, 2, and 3 and will be getting the new ones. Excellent ideas for training and conditioning. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:34:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD in Boston In a message dated 9/22/00 4:42:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If you don't find a suitable TKD club in Boston, and if you want to consider another Korean art, here's a thought. I train in Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, at a dojang 20 miles north of Boston in Middleton. >> Or you could Train inQuincy Mass with Master Hal Whalen studying Hapkido.... ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:37:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:Line I trained with a guy who was an instructor from the school, It was pretty decent for a combat system, form as far as I could tell (only oworked out a short time) ------------------------------ From: yotony@rmi.net Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:40:37 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: stretch machines ain't nothin' you can do with 'em that can't be done without 'em -- save your money for weapons, testing fees, or whatever. ------------------------------ From: Victor Cushing Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:04:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Army Combatives I have been reading the posts about the Army's new Combatives program. Sounds like someone should have thought of at least two obviously different major mission objectives 1. War Zone 2. Policing Action and then designed parallel separate systems to cover each and then not necessarily training the same personnel in each 1. = lethal, enemy elimination involving Bayonet Training, Knive Training, Empty Hand and Improvised Weapons (Like How to spilt a skull with an E-tool), etc. 2. = non-lethal, civil unrest and control training involving Chemical Spray, Baton, Escort, Upright Entanglements, Grappling, etc. Well, why do anything logical? The real problem lies in using the Military as law enforcement when that should not be their primary mission. Some of the worst cases like the deaths in Somalia flow out of not allowing soldiers to behave like soldiers when they are under attack. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:59:52 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #610 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.