From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #611 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 23 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 611 In this issue: the_dojang: Coach Han Lee the_dojang: Hand to Hand in the Army the_dojang: judo throw the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #604 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #606 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #607 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #608 the_dojang: NBC Coverage the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mac" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:52:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Coach Han Lee RAY: <> LOL You caught me again.... Too bad my spell checker can't find me the proper words too.... ------------------------------ From: William Hayes Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:15:31 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Hand to Hand in the Army C.B. <> Me: That's "tomanage" sp? (toe-man-ah-gi). It's used in several older Western/Cowboy movies as well. It actually works great... if someone is running at you and you happen to be backing up in a straight line. Other than that, a good ogoshi or tae-otoshi (sp?) works better. AND, don't forget to follow up with your neck breaking and/or throat-tearing-out motion! But what the hell, it's only the military. What do they know? ; ) William Hayes ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:59:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: judo throw In a message dated 9/22/00 4:41:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << techniqes. I remember one move inparticular it was from Judo Im certain but the opponent attacks you and you fall kicking him over you while you are on the ground, now that may work for sport but man come on this is combat were supposed to be learning for. >> I was reading a book a while back on Judo throws. The Tomoe Nage (foot in the stomach-overthetop-circle throw) is one of the most attempted throws, but has the biggest failure rate. The best successes were the single leg hip throw and the Tai-otoshi (body drop). The tomoe nage is one of the easiest throws to counter, and it usually turns into a ground match from that point. Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:57:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #604 In a message dated 9/21/00 6:34:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Before I go any further...I live 45 minutes from > Amsterdam and (YES) all of the stories about Amsterdam are true. Aww, come on; we all hear about martial arts all day long, so how about an Amster-damn story, instead? Actually, I have never heard even one such "story" so saying they "all..are true," tells me nothing. Give it up. SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:25:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #606 In a message dated 9/21/00 1:19:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > For example, athletes would need to perform in forms, breaking, weapons, > sparring, one-steps, self-defense, etc. You get my point? Wouldn't it be > much more interesting that way? The winners would be determined similar to > Gymnastics, where all your scores would be added up from the different > events to come up with one over-all winner. > Sounds like an interesting eyedeer to me. SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:29:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #607 In a message dated 9/21/00 6:31:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Well....IMVHO, the Army combatives program has taken a large step backward. > Someone, high up in the pentagon hierarchy watched the UFC and decided that > THAT was the ultimate fighting system for the Army. So, some very lucky > Rangers from the Ranger Training Brigade at Fort Benning were detailed to > train with the Gracies I don't get why this is a step backwards. What did they have before? SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:56:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #608 In a message dated 9/22/00 7:30:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > kids really don't listen too well to explanations >about why you > >need to pivot completely, extend fully, blah blah etc >etc. He indicated I > >need to have them kick, kick, kick, and then kick >some more. Technique > >will come over time. What do you folks say? I've seen people practice fairly hard for years with little improvement as they simply reinforce poor their skills. In order to make significant improvement, a student must be shown and work on correcting their technical errors, then: practice, practice, practice doing it CORRECTLY. Despite the fact that everyone wants to "be good" someday, not that many people seem to be quality orientated in their training and to my observation, spend a lot of effort foolishly. In general, making an effort to do things perfectly is not a a concept that gets a lot of reinforcement in our world. I think many of us learn early on that simply "passing," doing enough to "get by," or doing "mediocre but acceptable" work is fine. This prevailing orientation in today's America makes it very hard to train students to become solid martial artists. The a common example is how so many students feel that memorizing the 18 or 24 movements of a poomsae in the correct sequence is pretty much all there is to "knowing" the form. I tell them that learning the correct moves in the proper order is about 10% of "knowing" their poomsae. The remaining 90% is doing it properly in terms of focus, breathing, precision, power and confidence, etc. etc, etc. Only about one out of five young kids, 2 out of 5 teens, and maybe 3 out of 5 adults seem to "get it," however. Anyone out there care to comment on this generalized noninterest in working towards perfection, or perhaps "striving for mediocrity" [an oxymoron?] I seem to observe so frequently? SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:19:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: NBC Coverage In a message dated 9/22/00 1:42:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > nbc_comments@recipio.com My 2 Cents Worth: Subj: Olympic Taekwondo Coverage Date: 9/22/00 10:17:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: TKDSCRIBE To: nbc_comments@recipio.com CC: USTUTKD3, MEDIAUSTU BCC: CAPTCUP10, LadyTKD Dear Sir or Ma'am: I am presently employed by the National Governing Body for taekwondo under the US Olympic Committee researching a book on the history and evolution of taekwondo in the United States. From what I have pieced-together, there are about 10,000,000 Americans who are currently studying, or have recently practiced taekwondo, across our fifty states. For each of these people, there are at least one or more family members and friends who could be considered "taekwondo enthusiasts." Even to a giant such as NBC, surely this represents a not inconsiderable potential viewing audience. From a sponsor's point of view, as basic taekwondo instruction costs about $100/month for classes, to about $250/hour for private instruction, it is mostly practiced by individuals from households' having a middle class or better income. My concern is that, from my sources in Sydney, I have been informed that only American Kay Poe's matches on 9/27/00 are scheduled to be televised on MSNBC. Kay's situation is, of course, unique, with her friend Esther Kim having sacrificed her slot on the US Team by bowing-out of the finals of the US Team Trails to a badly injured Poe. I understand this associated human interest story may make Kay's matches of special interest to a potentially larger audience than the sporting aspect alone does. Nevertheless, taekwondo competition has a great spectator appeal to a large group even without the behind-the-scenes human drama. Please consider the huge popularity of martial arts movies and video games. This audience is far greater than even the 20 to 40 million "taekwondo enthusiasts" we have in America today. Taekwondo competition showcases the most spectacular of kicking skills in a real, full-contact, combative arena in which a contestant may even win or lose by a knockout kick to the head or body. Furthermore, there are two key items that make taekwondo very unique in the world of sports are: 1. The humility, discipline and respect taught to our athletes provides a beautiful and startling contrast to the overly common representation presented by the loud, obnoxious, overpaid-yet-on-strike, coke-sniffing crybaby athlete we have all endured lately, and, 2. The beauty and purity of dedicating oneself for decades to a sport in which there is almost zero financial incentive, in an era when sports appear more and more a vehicle to fortune and fame. My point is that significant television coverage of taekwondo's Olympic debut in Sydney will be not only great for taekwondo in America, but great for NBC's goals of better coverage and higher ratings. An added plus is the four athletes of the US Olympic Taekwondo Team are strong medal contenders, to boot. If, at the last minute, you find yourself in need of expert "color commentary," I'd like to steer you to Mr. Jay Warwick. Not only is he the Executive Director of the NGB for taekwondo in America, he is a former U.S. Team Captain and medalist of the 1988 Olympics were taekwondo was a "demonstration event." He has worked on-camera doing commentary in the past and is already in Sydney with the US Team. Thank you most sincerely for your time in reading my comments. I hope they are of some benefit to you and will effect a favorable outcome for taekwondo's exposure during and after the Games. Sincerely Yours, Steven E. Silz, Project Historian and Executive Committee Member, US Taekwondo Union Private Phone: (719) 596-6543 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 8:21:21 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #611 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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