From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #619 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 26 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 619 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Use of Force information for Vic Cushing the_dojang: more wrestling the_dojang: Re: Military background the_dojang: Diabetes in Martial Arts the_dojang: combatives the_dojang: RE: Tang Soo Do Weapons Question the_dojang: Thanks and a question the_dojang: RE: Dan's Military Questionnaire the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1150 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:54:19 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Use of Force information for Vic Cushing Vic, I have tried several times to send the information to your address and each time it comes back to me. Do you have another e-mail address? Also, I have had a few replies from other reader's requesting this Use of Force Policy...Thanks for your interest! I hope it helps... Han, SunBiNim, Gordon2-sends... 1st Dan, Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 8:33:46 PDT Subject: the_dojang: more wrestling Wrestling // Silver lining for Lindland Matt Lindland, (76kg/167.5 lbs.), who lost at the Olympic Trials to rival Keith Sieracki but fought through the courts to make it to the Games, won a silver medal after falling Tuesday in his Greco-Roman final. Also, Garrett Lowney, competing in his first major international competition, took a bronze at 97kg/213.75 lbs. For the full story, go to: http://drive.quokka.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?q=STazkTE5YIjdo Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:50:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Military background >>I see alot about what a Soldier needs to know to survive in combat and I >>can't help but wonder, how many of you on this list have actually served in >>the Armed Forces? 2nd How many have been in combat? 3rd Did you have to use >>any of the Hand to Hand training that you recieved? Just wondering. Because I chimed in with a reply on the military training, guess it is appropriate I answer this. Four years in the U.S. Army 1985-1989. Two years with the 82nd Airborne Div, and then my last 18 months with the 2nd Infantry Div. in Korea, where I went to the 2nd I.D. Scout Sniper School, and then went back to that school special duty as an instructor. I was not in combat, Panama was right after I got out, and some of my friends still in the 82nd went. Hand to hand taught was very little in Basic Training at Ft. Benning GA. A couple sessions out in the saw dust pit. There was a little training in sentry removal during sniper school. Learned a lot more with the Judo training and competing I did before the Army, and the classes I took down town. Probably learned the most from getting my head smacked, and smacking others down in the bars I would frequent. Lots of young dumb infantry men, alcohol, and attitudes leads to fights. Stupid fights yes, but what can I say, I wasn't too bright once in a while, and was lucky to go home some times. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Jerry Hinkle Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:15:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Diabetes in Martial Arts I want to thank everyone for the responses to my question on diabetes. I really enjoy being a part of list like this and getting the quality responses to questions. I've actually had pretty good luck keeping my son regulated up to now, but it has been with due diligence. He went through his 1st Dan test back in May, which was really worrying me, with no problems. Just checked his blood every hour during the test and applied liberal doses of gummi bears or juice at strategic times. And we are looking at the pump. Our old endocrinologist (sp?) didn't like pumps for younger patients, but he moved, and our new one is much more open to it. Our instructor (Mr. Jack Bolowski) has been great in dealing with this. I usually attend class with my son (yes, as a participant) and keep a close eye on him, as does his brother. Tang Soo and Han! (Practicing Tang Soo Do and Han Mu Do) Jerry. ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:37:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: combatives Hi folks, Dan wanted to know military experience, and I'd have to say I have none. I've read a lot of combatives manuals for my dissertation, and I have some experience in martial arts, but spent my formative years in grad school rather than the military. When I go looking for realistic combative methods, I go talk to Dr. Maung Gyi, and I would advise everyone else to do so as well. He knows his stuff. He's been involved with the military since WW II, and what he says, I tend to take as gospel. yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: William Hayes Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:21:28 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Tang Soo Do Weapons Question Richard: <> Me: Our club encourages weapons training at the green belt level (not before). That way, you should be confident for your first required weapons form at red belt level. We don't care what weapon. You can pick from a variety from any art. Also, we don't formally teach them during class. Students are expected to ask senior students or instructors for guidance. - - William Hayes ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:47:26 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Thanks and a question Just wanted to thank Mark Smith for his instructions on getting the Korean encoding to work on Windows 2000. I apologize for not having thanked you sooner as I have been too busy at work to try it out alot. Now, for my next question which is about a nagging injury I have had for almost 3 months. It is like a "tennis elbow" but I don't play tennis. I beieve it was from doing a lot of punching and knifehand strike practice for hyung and speed breaking. I have been advised by a physical therapist to get some accupressure treatment and rest and ice for 10 days. It is hard for me not to punch something for 10 days! Would appreciate any second, third or other opinions from fellow dojang members. Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence TaeKwonDo School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: William Hayes Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:18:06 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Dan's Military Questionnaire SF Dan: <> Me: 1) Alaska Army National Guard (11 years so far and still going). 2) Never been in combat. 3) Have NEVER used hand to hand training that I've received. In fact, after reviewing that BJJ is being taught to the Rangers, I have to smile even more. As martial artists, we know self-defense skills take time to be ingrained within us as a "natural" reaction. You cannot expect new soldiers (or anyone) to learn self-defense skills within 6 hours, 8 hours, or even 48 hours. It takes repetition and continual instruction. And, specifically with a grappling art, there really isn't a quick kill involved. If you are spending ANY time tying up the enemy or trying to get in some type of submission hold, then yes, you become an easy target to those around you. That's why I lean towards multiple arts are arts that can teach you more than just grappling or more than just kicking and punching. All comments made so far regarding military combat training has been true... and sad. I'll refer to one of the greatest movies made about one of the greatest wars ever fought: Saving Private Ryan. In the ending battle scene, (I forget the character's name) gets into a hand to hand fight upstairs on a 2nd floor in a building with the German soldier (who they previously release as a POW earlier in the movie). While the character Corporal Opom is standing on the stairwell below (very upset and not wanting to be there), the two enemies upstairs are biting on each other's hands, punching, and rolling around on the floor. Then the American soldier pulls his bayonet and attempts to use it. The German soldier was then able to overpower the American and slowly stab him to death as the American soldier was begging for mercy or at least to stop the fight. Very sad as even back then soldiers did not receive much training (if at all). Personally, I've never been in a fight or physical altercation (outside of the dojang anyway). And I plan to keep it that way. Some of the other guys in our unit talk big and get a little mouthy. I usually shut them up with a touch or two. THIS IS ALL DONE IN JEST! I am a NCO. I will NOT degrade myself and lower my standards to actually start rough-housing around with younger, inexperienced soldiers. But, I'm all-too-happpy and eager to "demonstrate" some techniques on them if they think that they're "all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips" when it comes to self-defense. Oh and yes, I let them take the first swing. ; ) My 2 cents! - - William Hayes ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:14:25 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #619 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.