From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #620 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 27 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 620 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 the_dojang: Fear of Choi? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #619 the_dojang: The Way and the Power the_dojang: New Website the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #616 the_dojang: Military Questionaire Answers the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 the_dojang: Tennis elbow the_dojang: Re: On Background Checks the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1150 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Purdy Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:05:28 +1200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 To all, This time zone thing can be real confusing!!!!! Does the time zone vary by 3hrs or so in the USA????? According to the New Zealand phone directory California is 19 hrs behind Sydney with there daylight saving, therefore California time is plus 5hrs but the day before, ie Wed 27th 12 midday Sydney time is 5pm Tues.26th Ca time.....correct???? Anyway it makes little difference if no TV Channels give it air time.......and the organisers want TKD to be a success so that it will be included in the next games! I ask you isn't that typical? Correct me if I'm wrong. Greg. PS Assuming this email is received within 30min of sending, Ray, I sent it at 10amNZ time (+20hrs diff) >Ray and Sally, > >Hope you allowed for the 1hr daylight saving that Sydney introduced a month >early especially for the Games, just to get you all calculating!! > >Greg. > > >>From: SallyBaughn@aol.com >>Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:58:01 EDT >>Subject: the_dojang: Re: USA Olympic Matches >> >>Ray wrote: >> >><< That is Sydney timezone, right? I believe in the US it is Tuesday evening. >> >> >> >>Right,as usual, Ray. : ) >> >>Subtract 15 hours to make it EDT. Which should make it about 7 p.m. Tuesday >>night -- perfect for prime time if only NBC would have cooperated. >> >>Sally >>SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:31:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Fear of Choi? With regard to this portion of Mr. Robert Martin's post: >>...From my vantage point it appears that either the WTF and/or the South Korean government are so afraid of Choi Hong Hi (and his supporters) that they will do anything to deny several years of Korean martial arts history during the 1950's and 1960's...<< While in disagreement with his logic, I do consider most of it made from an admirable perspective of loyalty to hs KwanJangNim. The portion pasted above, however, reminds me of the same paranoia that I shockingly discovered in an extensive interview with Mr. Choi some years back (I think close to the 1988 Olympic Games) in a major martial arts publication. Actually, it was a dual interview; one of Dr. Un Yong Kim, the other of Mr. Hong Hi Choi, placed side by side as a feature story on taekwondo's evolution and future. Anyhow, while Dr. Kim came across as his usual educated and erudite self, Mr. Choi made a number of outrageously paranoid rants about the many Korean CIA (KCIA) attempts on his life, and how his assassination has been the number-one priority of the South Korean Government. He claimed they had spent something in the neighborhood of $50 Billion trying to kill him and destroy the ITF. Whatever the amount, it was something absurd; a goodly chunk of Korea's entire GNP at the time. Now if any of that were true, when and where were these assassination attempts? Why no smoking gun? Now this is speculation, but I think if the KCIA was really on 15-year, top-priority mission to murder Mr. Choi, he would have met his maker ago. Just as distressing was the "sour grapes" attitude Mr. Choi also expressed regarding taekwondo's olympic acceptance. As history reveals, the ITF, under Mr. Choi, petitioned stridently for the recognition of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) with the intent of becoming the International Federation (IF) for taekwondo in the world. When the WTF received this very recognition in 1980, however, Mr. Choi spun around and became an outspoken opponent of taekwondo becoming an Olympic Sport, the very thing he worked throughout the 1970s for. In the aforementioned interview, Mr. Choi went on the record saying that becoming an Olympic event was the worst possible future for taekwondo which was not a sport, but a martial art. How can you have it both ways? So, what Mr. Choi was effectively saying was: If I'm in charge, and MY organization gets recognized, let's go to the Olympics. If I don't, I'm vehemently against it. While I began my life in taekwondo with great respect for Mr. Hong Hi Choi, I have come to view him as a bitter and warped autocrat who is primarily responsible for today's huge divisions in taekwondo. Lastly, while Mr. Martin is correct that many of the Kwan leaders that emerged after Japan's 1945 defeat did take some training in Japanese Karate-Do, many also had prior NeiGongBup, KwonBupBu, TaeKyon and other Korean-style backgrounds well. Sincerely, SESilz ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:27:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #619 Hey everyone, Thanks for answering my question concerning Military service. Someone on the list asked me to answer my own question and I'm not sure what it is that you want answered. I will do the best to keep it brief. I was in the U.S. Army from 1973 until 1988. I served with the 82nd Airborne Division, 5th Special Forces Group, USAJFKIMA(Commo Instructor Morse code SF) 2 tours of duty in Germany with Special Op's, Numerous training missions in Europe. I went to Grenada with the 82nd came back to FT. Bragg and went back to Grenada for 6 weeks with SF attached to the 44th Medical Brigade. I never had to use anything I had learned from the Army in the way of Hand to Hand. I attended Airborne, Ranger, Air Assault,Jump Master, Pathfinder, German Language, German Airborne schools and recieved the Expert Infantry and Expert Field Medical Badges. I participated in the Ninmegan march which is a 100 mile force march with field gear that takes place in Holland every year and is conducted over a 4 day period, to commenerate Operation Market Garden. I did the German Schutzend qualification which is with all of the German Army's basic weapons. I also attended the SFQC as a commo man and attended 300F1 SF Medic course at FT. Sam Houston Texas. Well I hope this answers your question about my background in the Military. As I promised I will stop now to keep it short. I was also able to gain a language qualifier in French as a result of growing up and speaking French at home here in Louisiana. Thanks Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:43:47 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The Way and the Power This is a great book, I don't own manyof martial arts books(I usually only buy them second hand), but I would strongly reccomeend this book. I have also had the priviledge of meeting and training with the author one day last summer. Todd US Army (1983-1986) From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:11:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Best books of all times. My list includes: 3) The Way and the Power by Master Lovret Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Daremo and Kitsune Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:05:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: New Website Okay Folks! I've finally joined the online world. If you are so inclined, you can check out some TKD stuff about my classes at www.tigerconsulting.org Its new and not complete yet but let me know what you think and what you think should be inlcuded. Gamsa Hamnida! Rob "Young Eun" Frankovich ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:36:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #616 <<<4) Forest E. Morgan's _Living the Martial Way_ is also a must read for anyone interested in Martial Arts (whatever style).>>> Although I think this book is good, there is another that is similar but I feel much better......."The way and the power" The author's last name is Lovet I think. I think the first 100 pages of this book are critical to anyone who claims they are serious about martial arts. Most of my adult students have read it. Andy ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:20:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Military Questionaire Answers My Military Answers: Navy Reserve (Airwing)...Never Served Active...Joined late in life...E5 Petty Officer 2nd Class...9 Years...Never been in Combat...Only learned hand-to-hand in Martial Arts Training...been in a few civilian fights...broken up a few fights... Have Studied and read up on WWII hand-to-hand training...as well as talked with my father who underwent the military version of hand-to-hand when preparing for the invasion of Japan...as well as some of his friends...including my relatives...one who served with the Royal Canadian Forces in North Africa... From what I have been able to pick up in my research...and from my understanding...please feel free to correct anything in the following that is in error...hand-to-hand tactics (the Readers Digest Version) for US Military originated with rifle-to-rifle (rather musket-to-musket) tactics during the Revolution...tactics learned out of necessity (predominately from the English) since mass charges into the enemy lines was the standard tactic to overwhelm the enemy...so bayonet and disarming tactics were developed...This continued through WWI where the tactics were the same...amazing how combat tactics had not changed in well over a century... During WWII...Covert Operations became an active part of the war... The British Commandos led the way in hand-to-hand combat...knife tactics were a specialty as well as hand-to-hand...what was then called Judo...learned from the Japanese...The British had a very large presence in that part of the world at the time...these tactics were passed on to the American Military and special operations units...the Marines were given more in depth training since they were the first in and expected to clear the way...engaging in hand-to-hand was expected...the regular foot soldier was given a lesser version of hand-to-hand training...just enough to get him through for the standard skirmish expected...the regular foot soldier was not expected to engage in hand-to-hand as that was not the expected role...guns and bombs would do all the work and the foot soldier was expected to kill from a distance and capture...not engage in hand-to-hand unless the situation called for it... The Korean War saw much more hand-to-hand as the Chinese forces used the Mass Wave Attacks similar to Civil War and WWI... Viet Nam brought about an extensive use of covert operations and special forces...the special forces being highly trained in hand-to-hand combat since it was an expected role...the regular grunt was given the Evelyne Wood version of hand-to-hand (speed course) again...they were not expected to engage in hand-to-hand unless the necessary...same as the troops in WWII... What is taught is based upon the mission requirements of the unit...every unit...every special force...every branch....has different missions...they are trained...supposedly...with the necessary knowledge and tools to complete that mission...often times as is usual...lacking in many areas... That's my input...take it for what it is worth... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:43:50 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 In a message dated 9/26/00 9:57:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << >I am using the Minimed 507 insulin pump. I have been on the pump since 1997 and it has made a uge difference in my control of dibetes. It does take some getting used too though but it is worth it I think. >> What is this thing and where is it installed? Can you feel it? Does it take the pounding of getting thrown? what powers it? Jack ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:39:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #618 In a message dated 9/26/00 9:57:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a solution for this problem so all we can hope for is to give our guys the best we can and hope that the opportunity for hand to hand, or close quarter combatives, just >> There is a solution; send in the MARINES! Hapki! Jack ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:26:06 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Tennis elbow Readers comment: > Now, for my next question which is about a nagging injury I have had for > almost 3 months. It is like a "tennis elbow" but I don't play tennis. I > beieve it was from doing a lot of punching and knifehand strike practice for > hyung and speed breaking. Over the past thirty-some years of teaching martial arts, I have seen way too many injuries like the one you describe. Hyper extension of the elbow can lead to a permanent injury, and I strongly suggest that you take a hard look at your technique. In our school, I am adament about keeping a slight bend in the elbow when punching; in fact, I will fail a white belt who does not adhere to this lesson. Once a student has committed his or her punching technique to muscle memory, it is virtually impossible to correct it. Hence, I try to stop this habit at the lowest possible level. Sadly, none of my instructors ever bothered to caution me (or any of my classmates) about this danger, and I am now dubiously blessed with a number of old friends who have the same problem you speak of. Similar problems occur with the knee joint, and it has ruined the career of many enthusiastic martial artists. I sincerely hope that you caught this problem in time, and I hope you will check to see if the cause might be what I spoke of. Ofcourse, I am in no way inferring that I have medical knowledge in this area. I am simply speaking of many years of experience. Good luck and best wishes for a complete recovery. Sincerely, Rudy, Sa Ja National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: On Background Checks On background checks and combat stuff: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:18:06 - -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Dan's Military Questionnaire SF Dan: <>Me: 1) Alaska Army National Guard (11 years so far and still going). 2) Never been in combat. 3) Have NEVER used hand to hand training that I've received> Response: 1. Currently serving in Air Force, prior Navy. Somewhere near DC. 2. Combat= only with those 2nd ID Army pukes in Itawon who would come out of the field, get liquored up, and start fights. This excludes the growing up in NYC street stuff. 3. Yes. Read my tales of the Naked City exploits occasionally printed herein. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:44:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 In a message dated 9/26/00 12:23:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I'm 18 yrs. old, and my doc says I'll probably turn to diabetes when I am older, as it has a high risk in my family >> I had a similar diagnosis when I was 19. Rapidly approaching 50, without signs of diabetes despite family history. Proper diet, see a nutritionist for assistance, controls low blood sugar. Good luck. From: Jerry Hinkle Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:16:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Diabetes in Martial Arts My son was born with hypoglycemia and spent the first week in intensive care. This condition at birth is not supposed to reoccur; there is a family history of diabetes. Last year it was necessary to use an Accucheck to record blood sugar levels during certain periods of the day. OTC mediations, prescription medications can contribute to blood sugar fluctuations. Age 10, he wants to eat like everyone else; that is not possible. Proper eating is critical, IMHO. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:45:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 In a message dated 9/26/00 12:23:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << find that if I am unable to comprehend a simple concept or if I am sluggish and feel like tired I need to take in some carbs. >> Todd, this is simply well said. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:49:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #617 In a message dated 9/26/00 12:23:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << insulin pump, and the result of that over injections is like night and >> There is also a 24 hour monitor worn by the patient to take blood sugar readings for an accurate lab test. The pediatric endocrinologist advised that this was an expensive test, usually prescribed for diabetes, but is considered for hypoglycemia. Also, that the insurance companies are not quick to approve. More of my 2 cents this morning. Tae kwon, Lorraine ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 7:34:24 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #620 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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