From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 3 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 634 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: forms the_dojang: RE: kido hae and ichf the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? the_dojang: Reply...Choked Forms the_dojang: Modified Forms for the Physically-challenged the_dojang: Re: Choking on forms the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 the_dojang: Re: Olympic TKD Videos the_dojang: Disrespect the_dojang: Tae soo do the_dojang: Need sample contract for self defense seminar the_dojang: Re: Fun and Games for Children the_dojang: Re: : kido hae and ichf the_dojang: Choking on forms the_dojang: Check the source the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:02:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: forms Anyone know what style these forms are from? Bu Bun Kiai - Shin Bup - Mae Wa Chun - Ip Shin -(Jong) Hap Sool _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: kido hae and ichf <> Your understanding is incorrect. The following are represented by Kido Hae: The 31 Styles of Korean Martial Arts Represented in the Korea KIDO Association Mu Do Won, Jung Mu Won, Seung Mu Kwan, Kuk Mu Kwan, Tuk Gong Mool Sool, Hwa Rang Do, Mu Yeh Kwan, Moon Mu Kwan, Kung Jung Mu Sool, Sun Mu Kwan, Kuk Sool Kwan, Soo Mu Kwan, Yu Sool Kwan, Il Ho Kwan, Kwang Do Kwan, Mu Moon Kwan, Kuk Sool Won, Huk Ju Kwan, Kuk Ki Kwan, Jung Mu Kwan, Hapkido, Tae Kuk Kwan, Yang Woo Kwan, Sung Mu Kwan, Chun Ji Kwan, Chun Mu Kwan, Kuk Do Kwan, Bul Kyo Mu Sool, Ju Mu Kwan, Chung Yong Kwan, Choong Mu Kwan Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: LenGWhite@cs.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:25:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 In a message dated 10/3/00 9:03:13 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Question >> Certainly poor judgment, but probably not disrespect. You say he knows you well. Do you know him "well"? Could you not ask him, in the interest of fair play, to also hand out brochures for your school. then let the students decide which is the better. You should also approach the management of the Gym and ask that they allow you to put up some large posters advertising your "in house" school where they can be seen by the incoming kick boxers, and others. It is after all in their interests to keep people interested in their facility, rather than advertise outside schools. Just because the other guy does something to promote his school does not necessarily mean that he is doing anything against yours. Maybe if you ask - -- you will receive. Good luck Len White ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:31:13 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? >I wonder if anybody has some experience with teaching TKD to persons >with >special challenges. I`ve got a student which was born without a >left >forearm. She is a very nice person and enjoys our classes, and >BTW she >also makes me think more about what I do because I have to >modify many >exercises and techniques (yesterday we had self-defense >class and I really >had to think out a way to perform the moves with >one hand). But I have >another question. Did anybody taught TKD forms >to a person which is in a >similar situation? How did you do it? Did >you modify the moves (e.g. >making all techniques one-handed only), >change them, make out new forms or >just leave it out of the >curriculum? Any info would be appreciated. >Regards >- -- >Piotr Bernat Several years ago my instructor had a student that was also born without one of their forearms. For the most part, techniques were kept the same or only slightly modified. Reaction force was still generated by pulling back with the upper arm, for example. However, if you are interested in a set of forms that have already been designed for people without arms, please check out the following link: http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/budo_english/armless/hyong.html These forms were designed by a gentleman who was born without any arms at all and are based on the Chang Hun tuls of the ITF (there was a write up on him in "Taekwon-Do Times" many years ago). I actually had the pleasure of seeing him perform his version of Kwang Gae several years ago. It was quite impressive. Actually, I have printed out a copy of the forms for myself. Thinking of giving one or two of them a go as they seem pretty challenging (ALL kicks). Hope this information helps. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:29:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Reply...Choked Forms Choked Forms... Thanks for the advice all...have done all the tricks and practices recommended...I never think about the next move when performing...I just let it flow...unfortunately...and I think this is the problem...I concentrate too hard...I block out all the extraneous noise, the other competitions, the judges, and perform in my own silence...the form flows as each movement follows the precious naturally...then somewhere in the form...and it happens at different times and different techniques...my mind goes completely white...like looking at a totally unpainted canvas...can't even through a random technique in there if I tried...just pure nothing...I know my forms well or I would not use them for competition...always practice in every possible direction in different locations...I just blank out... And I agree...bad first form beats better second form...have always bowed out as a black belt when screwing up...no sense in trying again...I'm a Black Belt...and I screwed up...done! Thanks again all... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:39:47 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Modified Forms for the Physically-challenged Piotr asked: >I wonder if anybody has some experience with teaching TKD to persons with >special challenges. I`ve got a student which was born without a left >forearm. She is a very nice person and enjoys our classes, and BTW she also >makes me think more about what I do because I have to modify many exercises >and techniques (yesterday we had self-defense class and I really had to >think out a way to perform the moves with one hand). But I have another >question. Did anybody taught TKD forms to a person which is in a similar >situation? How did you do it? Did you modify the moves (e.g. making all >techniques one-handed only), change them, make out new forms or just leave >it out of the curriculum? Any info would be appreciated. Check out this website http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/budo_english/armless/hyong.html for ITF forms modified for someone without arms. It may not be exactly what you're looking for, but may help to stimulate ideas. I thought they were fascinating. Silke Schulz ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:40:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Choking on forms Speaking of which, does anyone else find it worthwhile to occasionally practice forms with closed eyes? - --- begin quoted message --- From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:11:12 -0500 First off, let me congratulate you on doing the correct thing in refusing to attempt your form again, especially at dan rank. I think allowing white belts and other ultra-beginners the chance to repeat a form is allowable, however, it is my opinion that the worst form done on the 1st try should beat any form done on the second try by intermediates and up. One of the main reasons people screw up forms is the unfamiliar surroundings at a tournament. I would bet that most people that do forms will perform them at their school in the same position or orientation every time (facing the same direction and seeing the same scenery). I think that forms should be done in every possible direction and even done while other students are doing them in opposing directions, which will build up your concentration. Another old trick is to pick a spot on the 4 walls of the tournament building and focus all your atention on that spot when facing that direction, so if you come off of a 270 degree turn, you will automatically pick out that particular spot on the wall you are facing and continue without being distracted by all that is going on. What it all comes down to is repitition and concentration. Good luck....J. R. West www.hapkido.com - --- end quoted message --- - ---===--- Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:49:03 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 Vince, Where was the tournament at? I lived in Phoenix for 6 six years and do not remember it being a "hot bed" of Tae Kwon Do. I trained at a dojang on 19th and Union Hills, Chongs Tae Kwon DO, for 2 years, but he closed. The only other school I knew of, that had been around for awhile was one in Mesa. I cannot remember the name of the master there, but I believe he is, or was, the president of the USTU for Arizona. Oh, one more; where do you train? Name, street, etc. thank you mmd ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:49:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Olympic TKD Videos This is all I've found (so far) about tapes of the TKD portion of the Olympics: http://www.nbctapes.com/index.shtml?sourceid=00339280711237028255 ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Disrespect "Would it be fair to characterize this type of behavior as disrespectful?" If he knew that there was a TKD class going on in the heath club, then yes I would characterize this a disrespectful. Here are two ways to handle this; 1) Just go this gentleman, and simply request that he stop doing that within the health club. You could say that if he has a seminar that he would like to promote, then you would be happy to help him out. This way you can turn this into a positive and talk to him about doing some joint ventures for seminars in the future. 2) The other way is to go the health club manager and simply tell him what is going on. Since you are the one paying him rent (I assume) you have some rights. Have the manager put a stop to it. However, I would first try a more personal approach so not to burn bridges. Just an opinion. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Tae soo do If I remember correctly Tang Soo Do was the original name of the Chung Do Kwan. Tae Soo Do was the original name given to the unified kwans. Tae soo do eventually became taekwondo. So when you see tae soo do chung do kwan, it is the prename of taekwondo, chung do kwan. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "T. Kennelly" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:10:07 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Need sample contract for self defense seminar My TKD instructor has been invited to give a self defense seminar at a local company. This local company has asked for a copy of his contract since my TKD instructor will be charging for the seminar. My TKD instructor has never created a contract for this purpose and we are looking for some sample contracts that others on this list may have used. Does anyone have a contract they have used? If not, what suggestions do you have for this type of contract? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:32:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fun and Games for Children In a message dated 10/3/00 7:03:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Where we found the rhythm of class, from the warm-ups to the cool down, to be satisfying, if you don't hide the repetition from the kids, wave bye. >> But what are you teaching them here then? That everything they attempt that is worthwhile has to be fun or don't do it? Everything in life has to be a fun game or don't do it ? What are we conditioning our kids to be like? No wonder they always quit everything they try ... because as soon as the "fun" is out of it ... they do not see the beauty of what they are doing ... the worthwhileness of it all. If there is such a word ... LOL ! I think it has be taught to children differently than to adults ... but not all games and fun time. There has to be a measure of hard work and then a pat on the back for sticking to it. A sign that hard work & perseverance does pay off ... that hard work and perseverance is not a bad thing. Just my 2 cents. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:58:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: : kido hae and ichf The Kido Hae represents 31 Korean arts. See www.kidohae.com if you don't believe me. By "Korean kung fu" do you mean Kuk Sool? ~Daniel > >From: HwarangTSD@aol.com >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:13:34 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: Re: kido hae and ichf > >it was my understanding that the kido hae is only chartered to represent a >style of "korean kung fu" and not hapkido as pelligrini represents. does >anyone have any information on this? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:47:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Choking on forms Master West posted the following, responding to a post from Mr. Farral: >From: "J. R. West" >Subject: the_dojang: Choking on forms >I think that forms should be done >in every possible direction and even done while other students are doing >them in opposing directions, which will build up your concentration. >Another old trick is to pick a spot on the 4 walls of the tournament >building and focus all your atention on that spot when facing that >direction, so if you come off of a 270 degree turn, you will automatically >pick out that particular spot on the wall you are facing and continue >without being distracted by all that is going on. What it all comes down to >is repitition and concentration. Good luck....J. R. West www.hapkido.com My instructor often has us do what I call "Korean firedrills". Students are turned different directions and asked to perform their poomse. Sometimes we will all do the form in the "forward postion, then turn 90 degs. and do it again, etc until we are facing forward again. One of the prettiest methods he uses is to have the blackbelts form a circle with their backs towards each other and then then perform Koryo. It looks like a flower opening and closing its petals. It really improves focus, and makes one well aware of the ingrained habits that come with always practicing techniques in the same place. Plus it is downright fun, and obviously gives my instructor immense joy because he always has a smile on his face during our "firedrills", even when things get a little out of hand. I have made myself a little set of flashcards with the various form names on them with small details about each one. I then mix them up and do them in the order they come up, keeps me from becoming too used to doing them in a particular order. Respectfully, dave weller WTF student "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:10:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Check the source In a message dated 10/3/00 7:03:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Hi, I just recently moved to Muncie In, home of Ball State University > (B.S.U.) and I was curious if anyone knew if thier was a martial arts > program > actively being taught there? Hey Cory, Why not check directly with the University? SESilz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:38:20 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.