From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #635 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 4 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 635 In this issue: the_dojang: forms with closed eyes? the_dojang: Funeral Service for Suro Inay the_dojang: Re: kido hae the_dojang: Hapkido Advancement the_dojang: Re: Ho from CO the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? the_dojang: Re: Forms the_dojang: moo dang the_dojang: choking on forms the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 the_dojang: Rules? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 the_dojang: Re: Reply...Choked Forms Re: the_dojang: Re: Ho from CO the_dojang: RE: HwaRangDo, TangSooDoChungDoKwan, KidoHae and Ichf the_dojang: the kidohae, kuk sool won, & hwa rang do the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:06:43 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: forms with closed eyes? ============================================= From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:40:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Choking on forms Speaking of which, does anyone else find it worthwhile to occasionally practice forms with closed eyes? - --------------------------------------------- I have a blind student. This has forced me to do many things that I would not normally do, such as, forms with eyes closed and sparring with eyes closed. I've had to do this to validate my instruction, but in the process I've learned a lot about both of those things. For one, you can't point fight with your eyes closed. Once you have touched your opponent you must stay in close contact. Loosing that contact is devastating. Secondly, poomse, it helps with balance and accuracy of technique. Was that really a 90 degree turn? Was that kick really in line? Was that re-chamber back in the line? I don't know if it will make you better at forms competitor but it will make you a better martial artist. Miguel Garcia's Tae Kwon Do ============================================= ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:01:45 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Funeral Service for Suro Inay Hello all, Here is the latest info re the funeral services for Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Saturday: 7 October 2000 Time : 10 AM - onwards Place : Oak Hill Mortuary and Memorial Park 300 Curtner Ave. San Jose, California (408) 297-2447 Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:25:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: kido hae you folks are mimicking the information that the world kido federation is putting out... i'm interested in any outside sources that can either prove or disprove what has ben told to me. i am aware that many organizations make claims which can not be supported. if an organization has been chartered and recognized by a governement body, surely there must be some red tape... this red tape is what interests me. i'm not trying to start a flame war.... i'm seeking only to satisfy my own curiosity. for this reason, i don't think it would be prudent to ask the kido associattion, because what would you expect them to say? thanks in advance for your time everyone, frank ------------------------------ From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:16:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Advancement > From: "Troy and Heather Charsley" > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:10:41 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Advancement > > Hi all, I got my 1st Dan in Hapkido last spring. Unfortunately I had move > shortly after for work in a new, much smaller city that only has a couple of > martial art clubs. None of which have Hapkido. I now train with one of the > Taekwondo clubs and I'm looking to start teaching Hapkido classes within > that club (I'm just waiting for approval from the executive). My problem is > I want to continue my personal development in Hapkido. I will teach Hapkido > and continue practicing what I have already learned. But the question is > "Where do I go from here?" Are there any good resources for black belt > level training in Hapkido? What about patterns and forms? What about > further testing and advancement? Any guidance or suggestions from those > Hapkido practitioners on the list would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Troy Charsley > tcharsley@sympatico.ca Hey Troy, I found myself in the same boat when I moved to CO. After looking around I found that other training didn't offer what I was looking for. I eventually met a fellow HKD BB, after almost a year of emails. Just get the word out and somebody should know somebody. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:33:02 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ho from CO > > Ho from CO. > > Ray Terry Hey Ray, I know you are usually in and out of CO, but if you ever have a free moment I wouldn't mind saying hello. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:35:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? > >However, if you are interested in a set of forms that have already been >designed for people without arms, please check out the following link: > >http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/budo_english/armless/hyong.html > >These forms were designed by a gentleman who was born without any arms at >all and are based on the Chang Hun tuls of the ITF (there was a write up on >him in "Taekwon-Do Times" many years ago). I actually had the pleasure of >seeing him perform his version of Kwang Gae several years ago. It was quite >impressive. > I had the pleasure of working out with Mr. Jegan this past summer. These forms are tough! He said that if you are creative than you can make almost anything in Taekwon-Do work for a person with this type of disability. Good luck to you and your student and keep us informed. Regards Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: WojoSG@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:38:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Forms We are taught several ways to practice our forms. A couple of them already mentioned are to change your orientation in the room (facing the side or the back) or to do them with your eyes closed. Another way to practice stances and footwork is to stick your thumbs in your belt and concentrate only on the feet. Lastly, stand in one place and just practice the hand techniques. If you close your eyes for this one you can "see" your turns without moving. Pil Seung, Stan Wojcoski ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:44:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: moo dang Anyone ever hear of something called Moo Dang? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "K T" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:26:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: choking on forms I'm not sure if this will help but I had a similar problem to the form choke problem (another time, another problem, another walk of life). What I ended up doing was 'not' learning the requirement from start to end but learning it as multiple over lapping segments (seven from memory). The idea comes from learning theory. You tend to always remember the beginning and end well but sometimes the middle gets hazy for various reasons. So if you learn things as a series of beginnings and ends, the learning sticks better and you can start (or continue) from anywhere. Hope this helps. Regards Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:57:05 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 In a message dated 10/3/2000 1:18:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Does anyone have a contract they have used? If not, what suggestions do you have for this type of contract? >> I would also be interested in this info - here or by private email. Sharon ------------------------------ From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Rules? Hello all, I am a first dan and Jo Gyo in a korean martial art and have been teaching for about two years. I have been told by both my instructor and fellow students that sometimes I am too hard. I have tried to adjust my style of teaching so as to be more balanced as well as more pleasing as I realize that I am jerk in my own process of self-discovery. My question is how important do you feel it is to have adults who have been training for 6 months or more follow the rules that are laid out for them willingly and honestly? I understand that children and beginners need to be approached with a easy hand, but what about intermediate belts and senior belts who know the rules but don't follow them? Thanks,Chris. ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:09:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 "Certainly poor judgment, but probably not disrespect. You say he knows you well. Do you know him "well"? Could you not ask him, in the interest of fair play, to also hand out brochures for your school. then let the students decide which is the better." So it wouldn't be disrespectful for me to hand out brochures in the parking lot of his school? In the interest of "fair play"? ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:34:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #634 "But what are you teaching them here then? That everything they attempt that is worthwhile has to be fun or don't do it? Everything in life has to be a fun game or don't do it ? What are we conditioning our kids to be like?" What I am trying to do is keep the doors open. after 5 years of consistent growth, student interest has dropped, and retention is low. I've got some great kids, and if I can get a kid to 4th gup he stays 2-3 more years at least, so far, but the beginner drop out rate has gotten sobering. Exit surveys all agree the kids quit because they are bored or want to do other things. Once the novelty wears off they are still working on fists and front stance. Three times a week competes with once a week activities and loses. Then the student doesn't advance as fast as some who are in class, and he fades. Of course I believe in the value of hard work, but if you can't get them into class, who are you training? We are not the only conditioning influence, or even close to the most effective.. Even though parents state that discipline and self confidence are what they want from the class, if Junior doesn't want to go, they don't bring him. Without commitment of the parents to, dare I say it, force Junior over the doldrum hump, what brings them back to class? ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:47:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Reply...Choked Forms The only thing I can add to what's already been said is that you might find it beneficial to work on kibop (meditation/breathing exercises) to help you stay calm & not tense up during your form. ~Daniel > >------------------------------ > >From: "Farral, Kim G" >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:29:27 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Reply...Choked Forms > >Choked Forms... > > Thanks for the advice all...have done all the tricks and practices >recommended...I never think about the next move when performing...I just >let >it flow...unfortunately...and I think this is the problem...I concentrate >too hard...I block out all the extraneous noise, the other competitions, >the >judges, and perform in my own silence...the form flows as each movement >follows the precious naturally...then somewhere in the form...and it >happens >at different times and different techniques...my mind goes completely >white...like looking at a totally unpainted canvas...can't even through a >random technique in there if I tried...just pure nothing...I know my forms >well or I would not use them for competition...always practice in every >possible direction in different locations...I just blank out... > > And I agree...bad first form beats better second form...have always >bowed out as a black belt when screwing up...no sense in trying again...I'm >a Black Belt...and I screwed up...done! > >Thanks again all... > >The One and Only... > >Tink > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:32:18 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Ho from CO > > Ho from CO. > > > > Ray Terry > > Hey Ray, I know you are usually in and out of CO, but if you ever have a > free moment I wouldn't mind saying hello. Now I'm back in sunny Calif, except it is night and not so sunny... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:51:37 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: HwaRangDo, TangSooDoChungDoKwan, KidoHae and Ichf A monk once drew four lines in front of Ma-tsu. The top line was long and the remaining three were short. He then demanded of the Master, "Besides saying that one line is long and the other three are short, what else could you say?" Ma-tsu drew one line on the ground and said: "This could be called either long or short. That is my answer." Which came first, the chicken or the egg? It doesn't matter as long as it is effective. Each Founder knows what distinguishes their art from other arts and so should their instructor's and students. Last month during our European seminar I had the privilege of having DoJuNim Dr. He-Young Kimm, Founder of Han Mu Do and President of the Han Do Won, teach us why and how Han philosophy, Han Mu Do techniques, and over 45 years of him studying numerous Korean martial arts and martial ways distinguishes us from other arts. In my ignorance, before this seminar I use to say to myself, "These kicks look like TaeKwonDo, these joint-locks look like HapKiDo and KukSool, and these throws and chokes look like Yudo." All of which he had mastered. However, after the seminar I was left with a clear understanding of how to effectively use the nine sections of my body, why I hold my hands a certain way, why I drop his body at a 45 degree angle, why the number (three) is so important to Han philosophy and the application Han Mu Do techniques. I have studied martial arts for 13 years, the past three being Han Mu Do, and this was the first time I received a true connection between the physical, mental, and applicable aspects of an art I was practicing. I believe the key to mastering and expanding any particular art is to fully understand the "method behind the madness," and not to just throw endless kicks and punches while arguing over forms and dwelling so much on who is getting the names and dates right...This is just my humble opinion! BTW, Han means "Korea." Han Mu Do translates into "Korean Martial Arts." So why don't we end all of this mess and change all of the names to Han Mu Do. Isn't this the reason we are all reading the_dojang? Korean Martial Arts... Han, SunBiNim Gordon2-sends... 1st Dan Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:42:51 GMT Subject: the_dojang: the kidohae, kuk sool won, & hwa rang do In light of the question regarding the relationship between the kidohae and the ICHF I have my own question about the Kidohae and Kuk Sool Won and Hwa Rang Do. Kuk Sool Won has an organization based in Texas (the World Kuk Sool Association) as well as one based in Korea (the Korea Kuk Sool Association, I believe). Is this Korean based association the one affiliated with the Kidohae? Also, Hwa Rang Do's organization (the World Hwa Rang Do Association) is based in California, if I recall correctly. I have never heard of it having another organization anywhere else. Is the Kidohae in fact "in charge" of Hwa Rang Do, at least in Korea? Lastly, does the Kidohae do anything besides isue rank certificates? I am asuming that there are rank certificates issued by the instructors of the various arts and that the Kidohae certificates make things "official" with the ROK government, but know very little about how this organization operates. Any one have any insight on the relationship between the Kidohae and GM's In Hyuk Suh and Joo Bang Lee? Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 7:02:32 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #635 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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