From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #637 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 4 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 637 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #635 the_dojang: Boycott NBC? the_dojang: Re: I won my first tournament! the_dojang: Re: Not being a jerk while enforcing the rules the_dojang: Re: ICHF and World Kido Fed the_dojang: flip falls the_dojang: Team Vietnam the_dojang: KiDoHwe / HapKiDo in the RVN the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel G." Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:00:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #635 > >From: "Christopher Spiller" >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:42:51 GMT >Subject: the_dojang: the kidohae, kuk sool won, & hwa rang do >Kuk Sool Won has an organization based in Texas (the World Kuk Sool >Association) as well as one based in Korea (the Korea Kuk Sool Association, >I believe). Is this Korean based association the one affiliated with the >Kidohae? Yup. The same guy heads both. >Also, Hwa Rang Do's organization (the World Hwa Rang Do Association) is >based in California, if I recall correctly. I have never heard of it having >another organization anywhere else. Is the Kidohae in fact "in charge" of >Hwa Rang Do, at least in Korea? > >Lastly, does the Kidohae do anything besides isue rank certificates? I am >asuming that there are rank certificates issued by the instructors of the >various arts and that the Kidohae certificates make things "official" with >the ROK government, but know very little about how this organization >operates. From my understanding, that's correct. They're basically in charge of registering schools & certificates with the government. >Any one have any insight on the relationship between the Kidohae and GM's >In >Hyuk Suh and Joo Bang Lee? It was started by GM Suh, In Hyuk & is now being run by his brother Seo, In Sun. They pretty much function independantly of each other. I don't think GM Lee, Joo Bang has any relationship with the Kido Hae. ~Daniel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:27:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Boycott NBC? In a message dated 10/4/00 11:53:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Is NBC going to be the best source to get a video of > the Olympic Tae Kwon Do competition? They only have > the gold medal matches, it would be nice to have > more than that. But, if they are the only game in > town..." > > I saw the add in BB offering TKD videos, but I, for > one, will not buy them. NBC wouldn't due any coverage > on TKD in the olympics, but they are more than willing > to sell us coverage. I don't believe they will be the > only game in town. At first blush I thought: "Yes, I will boycott NBC's product, too!" Then it occurred to me that if lots of people do buy taekwondo tapes from NBC, they may finally recognize its popularity and give it more air-time in the future. ...Plus, I want the tape, so I placed my order hoping that it's the 'right thang' to do. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "Udell Holmes II" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:46:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: I won my first tournament! Yes..very rewarding. You're right, it was a small victory, but being my first attempt at sparring and beating a higher belt was a confidence booster! I was the only TKD'er at the tournament..everyone else was pretty much TangSooDo. I'm going to give Olympic sparring a try next...after I heal up! Udell ============================================================================ Congrats Udell! It's great, isn't it? My first (and only, so far) tournament experience was much the same. I was an orange belt (8th gup in my school) in the female, middleweight, beginner division. The one person in my division was a no-show, and there was no way I was going to miss out on a part of my first tourney. :) So they moved me up into an intermediate division with a green belt and a purple belt. The purple belt beat the green belt, then I sparred the purple belt and won. :) I wasn't wearing my glasses, and had been behind 2-0 at break time, so nobody was as surprised as me. It was a small victory, but nonetheless quite rewarding. ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:55:31 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Not being a jerk while enforcing the rules Chris, If there are rules that are clearly stated, they should be followed. Yes, some leeway should be given to new students and young children, but even higher ranked children and adults who are not completely new to the school should be expected to follow reasonable rules. I guess we really don't have much of a problem at my school with rule enforcement. The older/upper ranked students provide an example and the younger/lower ranked students follow. If the rules are consistently enforced from the beginning, eventually there isn't much "enforcement" necessary. I guess my only question might be: What kind of rules are you talking about? We have mostly common sense rules like no smoking in the dojang, no shoes on the floor (not common sense for total newbies, but they figure it out quickly...), no chewing gum, raise your hand before you talk, etc. As far as not being a jerk, just be gentle with the people who need/deserve it. Kids generally need a little more tact from an authority figure in such a situation. But if one of my senior students (meaning rank) does something I don't like, I just tell them flat out. They know that I will and they expect it. I don't say, "You're a total idiot. I can't believe you just did that." Just, "That is not acceptable here." If that's being a jerk, then I guess I am one, too. :) IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido >------------------------------ >From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:33:26 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: the_dojang: Rules? - -----snip----- >My question is how important do you feel it is to have >adults who have been training for 6 months or more follow the rules that >are laid out for them willingly and honestly? I understand that children >and beginners need to be approached with a easy hand, but what about >intermediate belts and senior belts who know the rules but don't follow >them? > >Thanks,Chris. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:23:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: ICHF and World Kido Fed In a message dated 10/4/00 1:53:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Early 1999 I was at a seminar with GM In Sun Seo, Pres. Korean KIDO association, World KIDO Federation. At This seminar GM In Sun Seo publicly announced the official recognition of the ICHF as a Kwan in the Kido Federation and presented GM Pelligrini with certification to that effect. I was there. Phil Peplinski 4th Dan >> So was I Mark Daley Combat Hapkido/BJJ ------------------------------ From: "mo :b" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:38:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: flip falls Correct me if I'm wrong, but flip-falls aren't required for female hapkido players? Aside from this, most take-downs can be adjusted from a flip-fall to something easier for the body to handle, yet the technique is still taken to the mat. This is good so that colored belts can learn advanced techniques and not kill themselves. It's good for the MA that starts at an older age. It's good for people who are injured and just can't take the impact of a flip-fall. In my dojang the majority of players prefer to do this for most practice sessions. That isn't to say we don't practice flip-falls or that we don't do them well...just that the majority of people i've met who practice hapkido for a couple of hours everyday would prefer to abuse their bodies in other ways. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:37:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Team Vietnam The some of the original members of the team are as follows Han,Bong Soo Ji Han Jae, Kim Woo Chong, Myung Kwang Sik, Kim Jin Pal, Jung Sung Won, Lee Tae Jun, Hwang Duk Kyu,Hwang Sik ? These are some of the ones I was told were there i hope this helps Hal ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:45:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: KiDoHwe / HapKiDo in the RVN It is true, the DaeHan KiDoHwe is the certifying body for 31 different martial arts, but the DaeHan KiDoHwe and the World KiDo Federation are two very different entities. I'm very sure, however, that either of these two groups is involved in MUCH more than "Korean KungFu". Having visited and trained in the DaeHan KiDoHwe in Seoul, I can assure you that there was NO kung-fu going on, and none of my certificates, going back to 1967, makes any mention of Korean KungFu, or anything other than HapKiDo. On another note, the ONLY HapKiDo instructor that I can remember meeting in VietNam other than the two men I trained with, was Master Bong Soo Han, who worked with the 5th SF Group at NhaTrang in 1967, just prior to establishing his school in Santa Monica in 1968...... PS.... Master Han is rapidly approaching 70 and can STILL go, and my hat's off to him.....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:23:46 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #637 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.