From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #638 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 5 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 638 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: eyes closed the_dojang: Student Retention--When is too much fun too much? the_dojang: 10th Annual 2001 US Open TKD Champs the_dojang: KiDoHwe the_dojang: Hapkido in Houston the_dojang: Flip Falls the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Advancement the_dojang: Re: Student Retention the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? the_dojang: flip/sky falls the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:17:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: eyes closed In a message dated 10/3/00 1:17:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Speaking of which, does anyone else find it worthwhile to occasionally practice forms with closed eyes? >> i do. GM J.R. is right: so many folks get their form movements associated with the relationship to the room in which they most frequently perform. do 'em inside...outside....turn 90 degrees and do it again. turn 180. close your eyes and do it. it's all great for breaking that association with location. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:56:12 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Student Retention--When is too much fun too much? Emactkd wrote: >We are not the only conditioning influence, or even close to the most >effective.. Even though parents state that discipline and self confidence >are what they want from the class, if Junior doesn't want to go, they don't >bring him. Without commitment of the parents to, dare I say it, force Junior >over the doldrum hump, what brings them back to class? I try to talk to the parents of my students often about their child's progress. This keeps them involved, and while doing so, I remind them of the benefits their child is reaping, as well as how their commitment has made it all possible. Parent enjoy a pat on the back for committing to bring their children to class, too. Many of them spend countless hours watching their child(ren) participate rather than doing something else themselves. Several of my students come from 20 miles away. Another help...frequent extracurricular events--my recent Annual Awards banquet was a huge success. We gave a away Student of the Year, Fighter of the Year, Competitor of the Year, etc. awards. We're planning a Halloween sleepover, and the parents are signing up, too! That definitely keeps them coming back. And we're not all fun and games. Every student comes to a one hour forms class each week.....we do nothing but work on their forms and we don't play any games until dodgeball after bowing out. They also have one hour each week of what I call "Skills & Drills". In this class we do a 1000 variations on a kick....or hand technique, with the occasional fun ending built in....like last night's jump side kick contest over obstacles! Okay, so we're not going to keep everyone that walks in the door. It's not possible. Some find they're not suited to the pursuit of Black Belt, and some don't enjoy the hard work. Some kids' parents would rather keep their kids from whining than creating a committment to MA training. I lose most of my students before they reach 7th Gup, and I'd rather lose them at that point than a year down the road when I more of a vested emotional interest in their success. I made a student survey 6 months ago....find out what your students and your parents are looking for in the program by asking them. Be prepared to hear some criticism, but learn from it....I learned a lot and I think my program has improved because of it. So that's my penny in the ante.... Silke ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:31:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: 10th Annual 2001 US Open TKD Champs From the USTU... The 10th Annual 2001 U.S. Open Taekwondo Championships February 28 - March 4, 2001 The Tropicana Hotel Pavillion Las Vegas, Nevada For more info contact Master Byung Kook Oh Oh's Taekwondo School 6820 W. Flamingo Road Suite F Las Vegas, Nevada 89103 702-871-1952 FAX 702-871-4191 mailto: ohstaekwondo@aol.com http://www.usopentaekwondo.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: KiDoHwe Actually, the DaeHan KiDoHwe was granted a charter by the ROK Ministry of Education on Sept. 2, 1963 with Choi, Yong Sul as Chairman, and Kim, Jung Yun as Sec. General. Suh, In Hyuk became Chairman in 1983, and at the same time his brother, Seo, In Sun became president, and in the early 1990's Seo, In Sun became chaiman of the DaeHan KiDoHwe, a position he still holds. The World KukSoolWon Assn. under Suh, In Hyuk, and the Korea KukSoolWon Assn. under Seo, In Sun, are two very different groups. To the best of my understanding, the World KiDo Association in California is the sole property of Seo, In Sun and not related to the Korean Gov't in any way....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:33:00 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido in Houston If any one is going to the hapkido clinic in Houston (down near NASA) at the end of this month, you are invited to Thursday's class at the Hapki Dojang South, Inc. I will be teaching a long class Thursday evening open to anyone attending the clinic at my dojang in Houston on Thursday night. My Houston dojang is the Hapki Dojang South, Inc. (in NW Houston), just down the street from the dojang of the two taekwondo Olympic stylists who recently made the papers. If you have not attended one of Master West's clinic's - I would highly recommend it. I know several people on this list have told me they will be attending and I hope to meet more of you. I will be flying out of Cincinnati and some are coming from Colorado also - so I hope to see you there. For more information check out current events the website at http://homepages.go.com/homepages/j/r/h/jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html or go to seminars at www.hapkido.com. Jere PS. I have started posting pics on the new website which include the kidohae in Seoul and the tomb of the founder of hapkido during our visit this past summer. More pics of Korea to come - see the site map for future pages... ------------------------------ From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:19:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Flip Falls In a message dated 10/04/2000 1:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, BTBEACH writes: > the problem is with what we call sky falls (basically- a roll using no hands > landing in a side fall position, looks a lot like a flip) We call them "Free Falls", but I don't know why....I pay for each one I do! ------------------------------ From: "Troy and Heather Charsley" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:18:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Advancement Thanks all for your comments (and sympathies). It's tough when your martial art is not as common as others. Hapkido is my first art and probably because of that, my favourite. In my previous post, I was looking for suggestions as to what comes after 1st Dan in Hapkido. All of the requirements have been clearly spelled out at my previous club up to 1st Dan. After that, nothing seemed to be public knowledge. I never had much of a chance to talk to Sa bo nim about what comes next. I only had three weeks after I was presented with my black belt. When I asked Sa bo nim about what I might do, his response was along the lines of "Continue to train hard..." I guess what I am looking for are some stepping stones to help guide me as I "train hard", and some resources, books, tapes, contacts, etc that are good black belt level sources for self training. Another question: are there common threads in Hapkido from one school to another? Many websites that I have visited seem to portray Hapkido entirely different from what I have learned. Some have forms, some don't, some seem more jujitsu like, other more akido. How does these differences effect future advancement if I have to find a different Sa bo nim to test me? Thanks, Troy Charsley ------------------------------ From: "Troy and Heather Charsley" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:29:45 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Student Retention It certainly would be nice if everyone who started a martial art would stick too it. It would also be nice too if there was some magic formula that you could apply that would keep people coming. The trouble is, every person is different, has different needs, and different reasons for taking a martial art. If the persons needs, or expectations are not met, they don't stay. The challenge as a teacher is to identify an individual's need and make sure the class will attempt to touch on as many needs as possible. Realistically, this is very hard, and sometimes almost seems impossible. I believe a true sign of a great teacher, and indeed a master, is someone that can accomplish this. On the otherside of the coin, there are personal difficulties to deal with too. If the classes continually do things someone doesn't like, they won't stay. However, you can't just throw the techniques and drills out. Sometimes a drill can be adapted to suit the person better. Try to identify what the difficulty is, quite often it is simply lack of physical ability or fitness, which takes time to develop. Things that take a lot of time tend to discourage and frustrate people. A person that can't keep up may begin to feel inadequate and quit. Encouragement is key, be active, watch and notice when someone makes an improvement. At the end of class a simple "Congratulations, I noticed you did much better tonight than last week" will help. Of course, the social aspects and building a commodary as others have said is also important. Anyways, just putting in my 10 push-ups ;) Troy Charsley ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:36:05 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Special Forms? Big thanks to everybody who gave me feedback about the forms for people with special challenges. I will keep you informed about the progress of our student. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: BTBEACH@aol.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:01:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: flip/sky falls In our dojang everyone ( young, old, male, female) is required to do sky/flip falls and we do roll out of techniques when practicing slowly. My concern, and it may be a maturity or ego issue on my part is this: if you require one portion of the students acquire a skill and not require it of another aren’t you cheating the one portion. There is a confidence building that comes from throwing yourself into the void. It does hurt until you start to get it right but once it starts to click you’re not “abusing your body”. Another concern, if you don’t have everyone doing the falls then one portion of the students can practice the skills with only a certain other portion at “full speed”. (I.e. if women or older practitioners don’t do falls then they can only practice at full speed with young males) It is limiting to everyone involved. It limits the non falling groups practice partners and ties up the fallings group’s time if the have to be the “throwees” all the time. I don’t think you really get the feel of a technique until you do it at full speed. It seems a false confidence builder to half the techniques all the time. I may be victim of a slippery slope fallacy mentality here but it just seems like if you don’t require a skill of all (barring physical disability) you are watering the wine. Brian ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 7:41:16 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #638 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.