From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #640 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 5 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 640 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Kido Certification the_dojang: Re: Flip Falls and 'b' the_dojang: flip falls the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 the_dojang: Kido Hae the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #639 the_dojang: Taekwondo in or near College Station, TX the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:37:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kido Certification <> First realize that for a brief time Hapkido was called Kido. It was found that Aikido and Hapkido are written the same way in Kanji, etc.. They mean the same thing. So Hapkido drop the Hap. The Korean Kido Hae was formed. Later Doju Ji Han Jae left the Kido Hae and started calling it Hapkido again. Kido has always been mostly about Hapkido Certification. Michael Rowe. ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:15:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Flip Falls and 'b' >From: William Upton-Knittle >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:04:15 -0700 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Flip Falls > >At 06:23 PM 10/4/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>In my dojang the majority of players prefer to do this for most practice >>sessions. That isn't to say we don't practice flip-falls or that we don't >>do them well...just that the majority of people i've met who practice >>hapkido for a couple of hours everyday would prefer to abuse their bodies in >>other ways. > >The art of falling is the first thing taught in jujutsu and judo schools, >and rolling type falls in Aikido. There is NO danger and no beating up of >the body if a person learns the BASICS of falling to begin with. > >Once again, we have an example of an art not being taught correctly....or >being taught by someone who never learned him/herself how to practice this art. > >Falling is half of throwing. You can't possibly learn one without learning >the other. And it is totally safe and will not "abuse" anyone's body IF >they are properly taught how to fall. > >Sound like you are in the wrong school.....or the school is wrong. This is >silly, but another nail in the martial arts in this "modern" era. > >b > Sounds to me like you weren't paying attention to the subject under discussion. How you get to a slam on the guy's school makes no sense. There is no danger or beating up of the body on regular falls for MOST throws and takedowns. But on certain techniques done full speed if you don't jump into the fall the joint is broken. So to practice them either you adjust the technique a little for safety, do it slower, or the throwee does a flip-fall. (I call them 'air' falls.) In an air fall you are doing the rotation of the body in mid-air, not rolling along the ground. You come to a sudden stop, spreading out the force as much as possible whether slapping with the arms or legs; but it is definately forceful on the body and there is a much smaller margin of error. That will make you sore or can be dangerous depending on how old & how conditioned you are or even if you're just feeling bad that day. < steps on soapbox > There is nothing wrong with martial arts in this modern era. There is a wealth of information and resources available to anyone who bothers to look for training to suit their needs and goals, much more than ever before. Whether that's self-defense, competition, self-development, physical fitness, a philosophy to live by, whatever. If they're happy with the McDojang on the corner, so be it. Sturgeon's Law applies to martial arts too (90% of EVERYTHING is crap). So there're more bad schools than ever before; there are also more good ones - just look for them! < steps off soapbox > David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "mo :b" Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:28:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: flip falls I think everyone missed the boat on my play on words dealing with better ways to abuse your body. It was a joke that i think you read a little bit too literally. i guess only McD can pass off the sick jokes... So back to you, Ken...this posting stuff harder than I thought. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:33:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #633 In a message dated 10/3/00 2:03:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << tournament. I would bet that most people that do forms will perform them at their school in the same position or orientation every time >> We do forms in several positions. Facing different directions, placing students in different positions and with eyes closed, sometimes with music that we are not prepared for. Tae kwon, Lorraine ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:00:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Kido Hae Thanks to Steve Seo for his input. GM Ji has told me many times of the events surrounding the formation of the Korea Kido Hae. Now my question, and I am of the same mind-set as Frank. Why, if someone has legitimate certification from a Hapkido organization (KHF, KHA, IHF, WHF---GM Ji, GM Myung, etc.) would they need another piece of paper that tells them they have the same rank as given by their organization? Please, I honestly mean no offense to anyone by this. But personally, I feel that buying wallpaper from The Home Depot down the road from me would be much cheaper. Very respectfully, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:25:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #639 Thanks for the input y'all. In the case where the gentleman trampled on my toes, it'll work out. The error of his ways has been illuminated to him by his seniors. I should have mentioned that at the gym where I have my dojang I am the director of martial arts. And I use the whole club, not just a small area. But the situation will work out, possibly with a better undertanding of what students should know. As for the kid retention, I'll muddle through. Mr. Schulz's input especially helped. I don't think I reinforce the expectations enough with the parents, but few ever get to the dojang except for testing. We do fun stuff like BBQ's and an overnight camping trip (in two weeks!) and a crawfish boil, anniversary party, etc. so I think we have thea aspect covered. Maybe a booster club for parents that picks orange/yellow belt parents as chairpeople? Thanks again y'all. THis list sure is a great resource, and cheaper than NAPMA! ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:57:10 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo in or near College Station, TX You did not say if your are looking for taekwondo on or off campus. However I would recommend looking on campus at Texas A&M even for non-students as the campus clubs can accept a few non student members. When I ran the Texas A&M self defense club (hapkido) and the TAMU Korea Academy of Taekwondo dues were $20 a semester. Now that was a long time ago and I doubt those clubs even exist, but you do not pay much and class is usually every night in large facilities. The MSC (memorial student center) can help. Last time I was on campus a few years ago, they had taekwondo clubs representing both ITF and WTF. Hope this helps and if you need any further help, just ask. Jere http://homepages.go.com/homepages/j/r/h/jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html (3rd generation Texas Aggie) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:42:04 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #640 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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