From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #642 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 6 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 642 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Changing your Curriculum for Anybody the_dojang: Re: Falling the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #641 the_dojang: Flip Falls and "B" the_dojang: Re: HU LEE the_dojang: flip falls the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #638 the_dojang: Re: Student/Black belt retention the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Changing your Curriculum for Anybody In a message dated 10/5/00 9:30:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If we continue to change our curriculum to suit different expectations do we have anything? While it is easy to appreciate adapting teaching methods to cater to students with special needs, no arms, blind etc, Should we put a greater emphasis on fitness this week to suit Person A's expectations and more marching drills for B and baton twirling for C? >> I think every school has it's own currriculum or something that they have that someone is looking for. It is up to the student, I believe, to find that in the school of their choosing. If not, go to another school that is doing what it is you are searching for. I am certainly NOT going to change my curriculum to satisfy one or two people's whims on what THEY believe I should be teaching. Our strength is in our self defense techniques and side body movement ... with ground work added in. We are the only school up here like this and if this is what they want ... here we are. If they are looking for traditional or Olympic TKD or Submission Fighting or Judo ... I can point them in the right direction or to the right school in town. I have had people come to me and only wanting me to teach them the ground or the side body movement and I have said "no". It is all part of what we do here ... we don't teach it separately ... it is one here. And we are at peace with ourselves knowing who and what we do here ... we will not become like anyone else to please them. Just my 2 cents ... Illona ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:38:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Falling In a message dated 10/5/00 7:22:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Falling is half of throwing. You can't possibly learn one without learning >the other. And it is totally safe and will not "abuse" anyone's body IF >they are properly taught how to fall. > >Sound like you are in the wrong school.....or the school is wrong. This is >silly, but another nail in the martial arts in this "modern" era. > >> I think you are confusing Speed with fullpower. Females hip structure is different and there fore it was thought that the hard falls were dangerous to there internal reproductive organs and were thus prohibited by kha and khf. Maybe some of the more Senior Hapkidoion can elaborate more? I can tell you that where Mo trains is not for slackers or half steppers and the training is quite rigorous, thourough and well taught. JAcko ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:44:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #641 In a message dated 10/6/00 12:30:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Pyung Ahn, Naihanchi, >> What are these forms? ------------------------------ From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:05:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Flip Falls and "B" It was obvious that you did not read what was said or you already had a preconceived decision that everyone is watering something down as you so eloquently put it, As for the Maureen's letter her instructor does know how to fall and he teaches all of his students to fall, So do not go there. What needs to be asked is the difference between full power and full speed, Full power breaks the joint full speed throws the opponent there is a difference whether you relies it or not ask any of my students Jesse, Jack O, Mike M, Mike Tomlinson, Diane Wall all of the list or Master, JR. West, Master Geoff Booth, Michael Choi, They have all been on the mat with me and can attest to fact as you put it I can fall and so can the people under me, So You can remove a Nail from the coffin. Hal Whalen ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:28:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: HU LEE Although I am not an ATA member or a practitioner of Songham TKD, I feel compelled to give the ATA family my sincerest condolences. Remember this man, through your TKD, your action philosophy, and he will always still be here. sincerely, frank ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:41:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: flip falls Moguinness wrote: "Even though women are technically not required to execute them in hapkido, I agree that you can't expect some people to be required to flip fall and others to not. That is why everyone in my dojang practices his/her flip falls, we just don't do them on every technique everytime." I must have missed something here. Why are women not required to learn flip falls? This one is new to me. I understand the other poster's reluctance to force people to do flip falls, especially if he/she was dealing with an over 40 crowd. Getting a shoulder separation from just practice is no fun, and I've seen it happen to someone who had been doing falls safely for 10 years. As we get older, we have to take less risks. But I agree with the other side as well, teaching people to go to the ground "easily" can actually be teaching them how to injure themselves. Take the basic wrist twist (aka. kote gaeshi,wrist twist, puch'ae, fan lock, etc.). The person should either escape or flip from this one. If they instead turn away from their opponent so they can fall on their back, they are learning how to tear their arm up even worse. They would be better off just tapping and never going to the ground. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: "David Welker" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:44:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #638 In regard to the discussion on retention, at 40 years old I decided to take up Karate with my two boys 7 and 9. It not only allows me to spend time with them, but also provides training in other areas that I feel they need work on - self confidence, respecting others, etc. My oldest didn't want to go at first, and I had to struggle with forcing him to go, but he tried it and liked it, so I think I made the right decision. The youngest has had times were he, too, hasn't wanted to go, and I've had to figure out if he was really sick or just "playing sick" simply because he just didn't want to go (I think I chose correctly there too, because he went and was fine). The main problem that I have with our class is that we were pretty much just "thrown" into it, having to pick up on things (structure/commands/movements) as we go along. Maybe because I'm new, the instructors seem intimidating and make it difficult to approach for questioning, not to mention that there are classes before and after ours, so there is no time in between to talk to them one-on-one. Also, there are many references to Taekwondo being made. So much so, that it makes me wonder what exactly we are learning. On the good side, when I signed up, they asked for a year's commitment to the program (enough to get us up to a green belt). This ensures that the school will get paid and that the parents won't just let their kids quit, since it is not cheap! They also have special events at Halloween, etc., intended to keep the kids interested. I have enjoyed learning a lot of history of the arts by reading this list, but I would appreciate it if somebody could point me to a website regarding what is expected for each level/belt, something that would explain what a "gup" is, and information on the various "forms", so I can figure out if I'm learning Karate, Taekwondo, or something in between. Thanks! David ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:54:18 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Student/Black belt retention >------------------------------ >From: Bernard Maginnity *****snip***** >At what point do we start teaching a martial art and differ from a health >spa or gymnasium? If we continue to change our curriculum to suit >different expectations do we have anything? While it is easy to >appreciate adapting teaching methods to cater to students with special >needs, no arms, blind etc, Should we put a greater emphasis on fitness >this week to suit Person A's expectations and more marching drills for B >and baton twirling for C? > >Some different perspectives would be appreciated. > >Kum sa humnida >Bernard >------------------------------ In my school, I teach the way that I feel is best for the students and the art. This does not mean that I do not consider what the student wants or is looking for. However, just because a student wants more or less of something does not mean that it is going to happen. We have a team of instructors under one head instructor (me). I use the term "participatory dictatorship" with regards to the way the school is run. I get the input of every instructor and consider that, then make my decision. (Don't worry, this *is* leading somewhere...) Recently at our monthly meeting, there was a discussion about whether our school does enough sparring. There are a couple students and one instructor who feels that we do not even come close to doing enough sparring. I feel that our time sparring is adequate for our needs. The discussion became rather heated on the part of that one instructor who acted disrespectfully to me and the group. That meeting was last Thursday and I have not seen him since then. I am wondering if he will be back (or if he even should be). My query to the list is: How do you think I should pursue this? I have been going over and over it in my mind and asked the opinions of our other instructors. Now I'm asking if anyone on the list has some wondeful bit of wisdom that can help me in this matter. There is a vast amount of knowledge on the list and maybe someone has been in a similar situation. On- or off-list replies are welcome. Thank you. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 8:49:01 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #642 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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