From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #646 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 8 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 646 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #643 Re: the_dojang: Re flip falls Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #643 Re: the_dojang: Student retention / attracting new students..... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #645 the_dojang: TKD in College Station the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #643 On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 CKCtaekwon@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/00 4:47:52 PM Central Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << OK....but don't say they are learning "X" art when they are learning some > watered down and prostituted techniques. > > b >> > so I guess you don't like American Martial Arts such as American Taekwondo or > American Freestyle Karate since they are not pure....... > Actually what martial art could say it is pure? Aikido is a very recent martial art created by O Sensei. Judo was created by Jigero Kano. Shotokan Gichen Funikoshi. In all these cases they took training methods they had learned and adapted them to a new format or environment. Some would (and do) say that the above are watered down from the Japanese, Okinawan or Chinese styles they were based. But, I don't think that takes away their credibility or effectivness. And no matter what you think about any of the ones I listed above -- they are a force to reckon with. The only difference between what Kano, or Funakoshi did and what "modern" martial artists (that create their own style) do today it time. Possibily they also put a better system together -- but that will be determined by the numbers that follow. I'm not sure I necissarily like what Billy Blanks has done -- but it is popular and they're gaining momentum in "copy cats". If it lasts 10-20 years from now I suspect it will be an established "martial art". Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re flip falls On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 MSKBEvans@aol.com wrote: > << The art of falling is the first thing taught in jujutsu and judo schools, > and rolling type falls in Aikido. There is NO danger and no beating up of > the body if a person learns the BASICS of falling to begin with. > >> > Amen... but I might change the NO danger to "limited controlled danger" > - ---if a person is struggling...the instructor must have the discipline to > keep them on the basic drills till they are ready to move ahead. At higher levels the falls become more difficult though. A good example is a martial artist friend of mine who is an excellent technician. He was a brown belt level in Aikido when he was Uke to a Go-Dan (5th Degree) giving a demonstration of a more complex throw. The throw had my friend up in the air, and going one direction so my friend committed (overly committed as 20-20 hindsight now tells him) to fall that direction. Then the Master shifted direction and he threw him where he didn't expect to go. He fell in a full split position and to this day has trouble with flexibility in the injured muscles. And that was several years ago... For training, it underlines the need to communicate what you are doing so your training partner can prepare. But, it also points out -- that this stuff works! If you can injure someone used to doing break-falls by changing where they expect to land -- how good is it going to work on someone not used to it? But, yeah you don't do complex throws on someone who doesn't have good break-falls. But, you don't do full out sparring on a white belt either. You let them develop skill and gradually "turn up the crank" to the level appropriate. Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #643 On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 Beungood@aol.com wrote: > << I once suffered a concussion > when a certain intercontinental judo champion was about to lose, so he > countered with an illegal throw which landed me on my head (this is rare > and illegal....but it does sometimes happen with someone who's afraid that > a loss means a loss of ego). >> > If YOU were taught the correct BASICS, how come you sustained a concussion? > Did you become sloppy? > In competetion one does not expect the opponent to do an illegal technique. Mike Tyson did an illegal technique by biting his opponents ear in a match. Was that the fault of Tyson or his opponent? Was that Hollyfield? -- don't remember right now. As martial artists we strive to be ready for anything. But, the rules of competetion don't allow for anything. Even, then at a high level competetion I'm not sure you can say that just because you have wonderful basics that you won't be injured. If this same player illegally kicked him in the head (just as illegal), or bit his ear (same), or something else -- would that be his fault too if he didn't respond to these either? There is a reason that some throws are illegal in Judo -- as the experience above shows it's hard for people to safely breakfall out of them. Most throws have the "nice" version where you help Uke to fall nicely to the ground. But, they also have a way to change it that makes it difficult or impossible to do a good breakfall. Once in the air -- there simply may not be anything you can do -- the only defense is to not let the throw happen in the first place... Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Student retention / attracting new students..... On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, aparedes wrote: > Since we are on the topic of student retention, I'd like to ask all of you > who are successful in your schools about how to attract more adults. My > kids class is nearly to full capacity.. I would now like to increase the > enrolment on my adult classes. I teach Chang moo Kwan TKD out of the YMCA > and for some reason I think that people think that every thing that is > offered there is only for kids. I would appreciate any and all comments > and /or suggestions. > You're going to have more kids anyway. It's going to take more work to get adults no matter what. Since you have the YMCA "everything is for kids" stigma to fight -- you are going to have even a tougher time. So you need to specifically target adults. Create advertising specifically aimed at adults (don't even mention the kids classes). You also might start with the parents of your kids make sure they know about the adult classes. I don't know what kind of advertising you do for the kids classes, but do significantly more for the adult classes. You might try doing some free seminars or demonstrations in the community to adult organizations. My two cents... Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:44:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #645 In a message dated 10/7/00 8:06:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << << If YOU were taught the correct BASICS, how come you sustained a concussion? Did you become sloppy? >> I make it a policy not to hang around with negative or rudely critical people. How about something good to say, anything? Have you NEVER made a mistake? >> This was a response to a negative comment directed at someone on the list. ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:04:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TKD in College Station Hi, Shaun, Being an ATA student, I'd suggest that one might wish to check out Mr. = Haislip's ATA school in College Station: http://haislipstkd.homestead.com/ Best of luck... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 8:41:00 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #646 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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