From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #649 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 9 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 649 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: ITF homepage the_dojang: Re: Situational Adaptability Evaluation for Martial Artists the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #648 the_dojang: Brief History of Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do the_dojang: RE: knee pain the_dojang: sorry the_dojang: re-discovering Taekwondo the_dojang: Falling the_dojang: bad knees the_dojang: Black trim the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #648 the_dojang: HapKiDo vs. AiKiDo the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:13:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Situational Adaptability Evaluation for Martial Artists From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:24:46 -0700 (PDT) 1. You prepared a proposal for the Regional Director of Martial Arts Schools on the East Coast. The success of your presentation will mean increasing your rank and prestige substantially. In the middle of your proposal/presentation, the Regional Director leans over to look at your report and spits into your coffee. You: a. Tell him you prefer your coffee black. b. Ask to have him checked out for any communicable diseases. c. Retaliate in his "out" basket. x d. Chug it like a man - hold the empty upside down over my head. 2. Your at a dinner with the GrandMaster and his wife--who looks like the regional runner-up of the Majorie Main look-alike contest. Halfway through the dinner you feel a hand on your lap. Being resourceful you: a. Accidentally spill hot coffee in your lap. b. Slip a note to the waiter to have your GM paged and see if the hand goes away when the GM does. x c. Firmly disengage the hand and continue the dinner. Our GM is a man with whom not to mess. 3. You have just spent the night with the GM in Seoul who invited you to an all night boiler-maker drinking party. You get home just in time to go to work. You stagger to the men's (or women's) room and spend the next half hour vomiting. As you are washing up at the sink, the GM walks up, blows his cigar smoke near you, and asks you to join him for drinks after work. You: a. Look him straight in the eye and launch one last convulsion at the front of his Itawon made suit. b. Fill in the blanks. x c. Rinse, swirl, spit, belly up to the bar. - ---===--- Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:39:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #648 In a message dated 10/9/00 1:47:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Having said that, the right knee hurt >> Do you also have weakness or the sensation that your "knee is going to go out from under you?" or is it just the pain. Lorraine, Chiropractor's sister ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 8:58:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Brief History of Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do From our friends at CarbonEcho.com. We are helping them with MA content. This came from them and apparently the SBD assoc. However, not sure I agree with all of it. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------ A Brief History of Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do First it is important to understand that Soo Bahk Do is the Art you are now studying, and Moo Duk Kwan is the style. Soo Bahk Do is the technical side, the Moo Duk Kwan is the philosophical side of "Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan". The name "Bahk" originated in the age of Chun Chu (2700 years ago) according to the Moo Yei Dobo Tong Ji (One of the oldest records of Korea's martial arts) Soo Bahk Do (combat with bare hands and feet) is the only Korean martial art handed down from the Ko Ku Ryo Dynasty, thereby making it the oldest Korean martial art (about 2,000 years old) What is Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan? Translated literally, Moo Duk Kwan means "Institute of Martial Virtue". It is the scientific use of the body in methods of self defense, combined with a strict philosophy guiding the practitioner towards discovering their full potential. Soo Bahk Do forges a body towards gaining ultimate use of its faculties through intensive physical and mental training. It is an art of self defense and philosophy that's secrets cannot be bought at any price other than serious and rigorous training. It is an art tempered on the lawns of Buddhist monasteries, against the steel of wandering bandits and on the fields of combat, its history is a long and honorable one, and you are now part of it. What are the origins of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan? In Korea the indigenous arts of self defense (Soo Bahk Ki and Tae Kyun) were combined with other fighting principles (Northern and Southern Chinese Kung Fu) and moral guidelines such as the philosophy of Do (Tao), No Ja (Lao Tzu) and Lee Do Ja (Confucius) by Grandmaster Hwang Kee into what is now known as Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. This combination of techniques and philosophy resulted in the development of a form of self defense and mental conditioning unrivaled in the modern world. The founder of the Moo Duk Kwan, Grandmaster created the Moo Duk Kwan on November 9th 1945. Grand Master Hwang Kee was first inspired to study the Martial arts in 1921 when he was about seven years old. At a traditional Festival called "Dan O" he was visiting a nearby village, where they had archery, wrestling and many other festivities. As Grand Master was enjoying the festival a group of seven or eight men had a dispute with another man. Suddenly the group of men attacked the lone man, who began evading and counter attacking with his feet, eventually defeating the group of men. This ability to defend oneself against several attackers so impressed Grand Master that at that moment he knew he wanted to learn the martial arts. Several years Grand Master Hwang Kee studied and researched every available source, and at the age of 22 he was recognized as a Master among other martial artists. In May of 1935 Grand Master began working for the Korean railroad company which allowed him to travel. In May of 1936 he met a Chinese Kung Fu master named Yang, Kuk Jin. Grand Master trained with Master Yang until 1946, at that time China became a communist country. The training consisted of Seh Bop (postures), Bo Bop (steps), Ryun Bop (conditioning) and Hyung (Forms) with their applications. November 9th 1945 Grandmaster Hwang Kee founded the Moo Duk Kwan. The basic ideal of the Moo Duk Kwan is the development of its participants. Strong individuals in Spirit and Body make strong communities, strong communities make strong nations. Strong and peaceful nations make a strong and peaceful world. What makes Soo Bahk Do different from other styles? There are many fine styles of martial arts, two of the many things that separate your art (Soo Bahk Do) from all other arts and make it unique, are its versatility and philosophy. Because ancient Korea was constantly attacked by both Japan and China, Soo Bahk Do became versatile out of necessity, the result being an art which demands mastery of the whole body, not just kicking and punching. Challenging techniques ranging from quick and spontaneous movements to slow graceful flowing movements gives not only variety but also challenges everyone. Second, many styles teach effective self defense and fighting principles but Soo Bahk Do offers much more than just that. Learning fighting techniques without a strong philosophy is to burden society with more dangerous people. We use Soo Bahk Do to realize our full potential and emphasize "Virtue in action" demonstrating courage, discipline, confidence and humility through our sincere efforts in training and our behavior towards others. You won't just hear our philosophy you'll see it in action. THIS is what makes Soo Bahk Do VERY DIFFERENT! ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:45:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: knee pain > From: "K T" > Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:05:57 EST > Subject: the_dojang: nagging pain > > Any suggestions for the cause or home remedies will be appreciated. > > After a number of x-rays and some expert opinion (all to no avail) I find > I > am left with a nagging pain deep in the right knee. There is apparently no > > floating bone, spurs, misalignment etc. In short the medicos don't know > why > the pain occurs. The suggestion is "Don't do what causes the pain." Which > is > sound advice unless you need to do the exercise to loosen up the rest of > your body. > > Thanking the list for listening in advance. > Noel > > Noel, you didn't mention having an MRI, or whether any of the _experts_ are orthopedic specialists. I'm 46, have dealt with knee pain and had knee surgery, and based on your letter I would say you need more thorough investigation. The pain could be caused by anything from tendonitis to a tumor. Nullifying the pain definitely helps you get through a workout ( I know! ) but that doesn't address the cause. Good luck, and may all of us old geezers someday awake to find ourselves rich and young again! Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:51:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: sorry McD, Do you feel that I over reacted ? If I did I most humblely beg your forgiveness. I love you, Man. Take care I don't know what came over me and I can't blame the alcohal because I don't drink, go figure. Until the next adventure. We must have went to the same Dojang of Basic's because we share the same philosophy . It is not how pretty it is but how effective it is. If it works use it. Dan ------------------------------ From: "phil" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:16:59 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: re-discovering Taekwondo I have been training for about 14-15 years and teaching full time for the last 8 years. About 1 year ago I started to discover that techniques like outside block are not blocks at all, the block is the strike and not a strike to the attacking limb. Let me explain. when blocks are taught there is usually a movement as a preparation to block (we call it framing) before the block is executed. What I have found is that the frame is a block and the block is actually the strike, and to a particular target that will generate the proper body response in your attacker and make your next target opening. which when applied to the forms exposes the deadliness of Taekwondo. It is my belief that the deadly knowledge of the techniques of Taekwondo was lost when the goal became to make it a worldwide sport. (which was accomplished) What I am saying is the modern Taekwondo is based on techniques of the past before it was called and reorganized as Taekwondo. My goal is to restore the root purpose and use of these techniques, which by the way includes various joint locks in the movements. Am I alone, or is there anyone who can help me on my quest. Feel free to email me directly. Thank You Phil Peplinski 4th Dan ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:16:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Falling Falling is the key to surviving a throw, sweep, or takedown of any sort. How can anyone believe that they understand a technique unless they have felt the out come of that particular technique. Grandmaster Choi, Han Young, had a system of teaching proper falling and learning to accept the ground has always been considered part of learning Hapkido. I can show, demonstrate and explain a technique to you all day long, however until you feel it, it just doesn't have the same impact. Do I teach everyone in my Dojang how to fall? YES, do I take it easy because of their age and or health conditions? YES, do I water it down or say that's ok you can sit over there while we do these falls? Of course not. It would be demeaning as well as discouraging to the student. Demand 100% of all students and accept no less. Realize that no two students are the same and teach them according to their capabillities. Crawl, walk, run, everthing in life has order and the Martial Arts are no different. If you are going to teach Hapkido or any other Art that requires falling, Kneel, squat, stand. As time goes you may find that the student you were most concerned about teaching to fall, becomes your best at falling because more time training was required on their part. In closing I will say that falling is not and should not be your greatest concern it is the sudden stop upon impact that gets me everytime. Yes, working on 50 and still jumping over things and falling from great heights, must have been the basic's that was force fed to me by Grandmaster Choi, Han Young. Train to live and live to train! Dan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 9:42:38 PDT Subject: the_dojang: bad knees > << Having said that, the right knee hurt >> > Do you also have weakness or the sensation that your "knee is going > to go out from under you?" or is it just the pain. > Lorraine, Chiropractor's sister This is what I have. The Orthopod claimed, after scoping my knee, that the back of the patella was very rough (I even got to see it, it looked like very course sandpaper), he said probably from years and years of running long distance on hard surfaces like concrete sidewalks and streets. This rough surface apparently activates the nerve complex that runs up the outside of the thigh. Thus when I get my knee to a certain angle it will often give out for a few degrees of angle rotation causing me to drop several inches. I can usually catch myself, but not 100% of the time. Wear and tear on the ole bod isn't for wimps... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Black trim When I was in Vietnam training with the ROKs, I asked where the idea of black trim around the instructor's collars came from and I was told that a graduate of an ancient military school would wear a white tunic trimmed in black to represent their accomplishment. I later assumed that my instructor was referring to the Hwarang, and during a recent trip to Korea, I observed such a "uniform" on display at either the "War Museum" in Seoul, or at the museum at "Independence Hall" in Ch'onan, and this uniform belonged to a Silla warrior member of this group...... J. R. West ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:37:22 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #648 In a message dated 10/9/00 8:48:24 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Any suggestions for the cause or home remedies will be appreciated. >> Last March my right knee swelled up to double its normal size. I don't do doctors, only natural therapy. Anyway, best advice is to listen to you body. Take it easy and VERY IMPORTANT, do hot and cold treatments. Run your knee in cold water (or ice pac) one minute, then one minute in hot water. Do this up to 7 times (total 14 minutes) several times a day. This is what I did. Takes time but i fully recovered and never saw a doctor. Sometimes I did not have the time or patience to do 7 rotations, so I would do 3-4, but I did it regularly every day, several times a day. New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:04:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: HapKiDo vs. AiKiDo First, let me say that at the time I trained in AiKiDo, around the mid-70's, I already held a 4th dan in HapKiDo, and after spending 51 months in a combat zone, had a little different perspective on self defense. The main point of contention between myself and my AiKiDo instructor was the idea that if you practiced enough at low speed, your body would be able to adapt to high speed attacks, even in the area of knife defense. I pointed out the fact that almost anyone could hit a softball pitched underhanded at slow speed, but very few could hit against some of the great baseball pitchers throwing in the 90 mph area. To prove my point, I brought a eraseable black marker to class and offered to experiment with this instructor after class when everyone had left. He chose to do this drill DURING class so that everyone could see him make a fool out of the stupid HapKiDo guy. Please remember that I was, at one time, very skillful with a blade, and not wanting to injure this persons reputation with his students, begged that we do this AFTER class. I finally agreed that it was HIS class and we'd do it when HE wanted. To make a short story even shorter, after about a minute this mans skin looked like a zebra, and he never thought about getting cut on his hands and arms while trying to establish a stance, and one time when he grabbed my "knife" arm, I switched hands and began to "cut" him with my other hand without his realizing it. All in all, I admire this persons work and teaching ability, but I'm not sure that actual "self-defense" was his goal or that of most of his students. By the same token, I don't continue to practice HapKiDo for its self defense value only. I find that as I rapidly aproach 60, I am concerned more with the ability to do things on a daily basis that I did years ago, to be able to sleep soundly on a nightly basis, and to continue to be able to teach those that wish to be taught by being a presence on the mat on an every day basis. I'm sure that AiKiDo is a great art, but I think some practitioners are not very street-savvy, but there are a bunch of "HapKiDo" people that I could say the same thing about. All this reminds me of an old saying "everyone has a plan, until the sh__ hits the fan". J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:59:05 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #649 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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