From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #654 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 11 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 654 In this issue: the_dojang: Nagging Knee Result the_dojang: Pills the_dojang: Re: The Basics; Bowery Style the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #653 the_dojang: Chance Meeting the_dojang: Re: Skirting the Basics....or What's Under the Hakama? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 the_dojang: HMD seminars the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K T" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:17:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Nagging Knee Result Dear List Thanking you for the advice and assistance with the knee pain. On the recommendations of the list I went out and contacted a sports medicine specialist whose associate is an orthopod. I have an appointment next week for a proper look see with them. Regarding the general weakness of the knee question: there is some weakness and a point where it seems to give and then strength returns. It was this question that helped me formulate my explanation of the problem to the sports medico which in turn prompted her to give me her first open time. I'll also try the supplements ... think I'll have to poke around some to find them. Haven't heard chemical names like that since my chemistry major. And the hot and cold ice packs ... I must admit I haven't followed the regimen suggested but have tried the technique on a less rigid basis. It was only marginally successful. With regards the chiropractor ... I utilise one for the occassional neck and back kink. Had the same fellow look at the knee and go over the xray. He was one of the people that gently suggested that I don't do the exercise with a subtle inference that I wasn't getting any younger. I'll still use him for the neck and back though. Anyway ... thanks for the assist. Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:43:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Pills In a message dated 10/10/00 2:03:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > << chondroitin/glucosamine >> > Jenn, does this stuff really work? Not just a hype? Some folks like me > are not able to do ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen products. Can't even take > a junior advil without doubling over. Have an ankle that will never be quite > right. A surgeon also made a reminder recently that over use of tylenol > type products will cause liver damage. Thanks. > Lorraine > I tried the Glucosamine/Chondroitin diligently for 3 months with no success; perhaps I was too far gone already. If you can't tolerate the non-steroidal anti-inflamatories (NSAIDs) you mentioned, you might fine with the new, "cox-2" inhibitors, Vioxx and Celebrex. They are prescribed specifically for people with chronic joint problems who can't tolerate the older NSAIDs. The dosage is a convenient once per day, too. I think you are smart to avoid too much tylenol, too, BTW SESilz ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The Basics; Bowery Style Professor B has commented on the basics. Here is my understanding: On the basics. Growing up in the denizens of NYC, my family would venture on weekends to the lower east side of Manhatten. We would go to little hole in the wall delicatessens to partake in the rye and roast beef, nathan's hotdogs, thinly sliced pastrami, and corned beef. The basics. A basic hole in the wall in one of the world's largest cities. We would water it down with a nice seltzer water. Passing through Chinatown, the most orderly and safe society in Manhatten, we would stop by the Bowery. This was where the abysmal down and out Bowery winos would wipe auto windshields up and down and sideways asking for paltry handouts. The basics, re: survival. This is neither funny nor could I ever make a stab at humor on the latter point.I always felt sad and uncomfortable by that sight. But a basic reality. I did not like those individuals in more fortunate positions laughing at the downtrodden. Sort of like in Good versus Evil. In fact, a close relative was found dead on a park bench in the same neighborhood. The basics, life and death. But the motions I remember of these sad individuals subsequently showed up in the Karate Kid. Recall the painting the fence scene, re: Wax on Wax Off. Up and down motions. At that moment,similar to Col Kurtz (sic) in Apocalypse Now, I realized how basic the Basics could be, re: Motion. Thereafter, when watching Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall in the Bowery Boys series, I recall "Routine 9" as a definitive moment that also taught me that calculated mayhem is a possible solution to unplanned situations. Then came Bronson and Tom Laughlin in his famous movies. A little Steve McQueen in Bullitt, followed by Bruce Lee, all helped me seek the basics in the martial arts.The advent of the American Karate Kickboxing scene with Bill Wallace and others kept my interest going. This was supplemented by ex GI's who received training in Japan during WW II and Korean Conflict. Passing this on to me in the hallowed halls of a Naval Hospital during lunch time.Japanese style was the vogue at that time. Hard style taught by hard guys who would never seek an enlightment seminar (note:not denigrating Harmony or other seminars) in Marin County, CA. I was always bruised after class. This is where I learned of Marine Showers. Again, the Basics. Then Korean Martial Arts, Filipino Martial Arts, and the advent of the internet. The internet forging diverse interests. Forays into third world countries, boughts of late nights in forgotten places, waking up half dazed in seamy cockroach infested motel rooms (the basics), some things I can't write about since big brother may be watching. If you want the basics try those places and see how good you got it. Interesting journey. "Wax on, Wax off." The basics. Do you bring life experiences to the basics or do the basics supplement your life experiences ? Peace, McD... Next: Ventures into Philly to try famous Philly Cheesesteaks and visit Northern Philly where they still make pasta in front of you while the gym is next store (not really, after all this is a martial arts list). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:26:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 I haven't allowed the word "block " in my tkd school in probably over 5 years. I teach everything as a strike. Block is a defensive term and strike is an offensive term. GAry Pieratt ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:28:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 In a message dated 10/10/00 4:04:28 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It is taught by an Aikido 5th Dan and psychologist that also runs a dojo 'for enlightenment seekers in Marin county, California'. Lord save us... >> Yes, we are in big trouble if our military is going to start using Aikido. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:32:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #653 In a message dated 10/10/00 7:03:14 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Sorry to everyone on the list who enjoy Mr. b's writing. >> I don't enjoy his writing. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:12:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Chance Meeting A very interesting event occurred at the last tourney I participated in on the 7th of October in Kansas City...no I did not complete my form without choking...although I did manage to finish it without hesitation by throwing in four random hand techniques to fill in the mistake and catch up to the proper techniques and finish appropriately...I took 3rd as a result of the errors since the judges all knew the form.... But that's not the event I wish to mention.... I was at the head table signing in for refereeing and judging when I noticed a thin Korean GM with a white turtle-neck und blue blazer sitting to my left...he looked very familiar as I told myself it couldn't be...so I stood before him, bowed, and asked his name...after introducing himself, I smiled and told him that I started TKD under him in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in 79...My first instructor...GM Sin I. Choi...actually his Nephew GM Yung Sun Lim was my first instructor, GM Choi had actually moved to Corpus Christi, Texas just before I started training...he had returned every couple of months to check in and teach....He took us to my first tourney as well...we talked about GM Lim and some of the students and senior ranks with whom I trained...To top it off...he gave me a standing invitation to visit him.....which I plan on doing...soon... Not much interest to most, but it made my day...had to pass it on... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:53:43 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Skirting the Basics....or What's Under the Hakama? At 08:20 PM 10/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I remember hearing sometime ago >that everything in Martial Arts are Basic. Advance techniques are merely >techniques performed with more precision. You probably heard someone quoting what I've been teaching for years, viz., that all the "secrets" of the arts are found in the basics. > How can one move on without the >basic's? The answer is simple, They Can't! Ah, but this is the problem. I know of one very well known instructor who has multiple high ranks. I asked him once how he got godan in a particular art. He very freely told me that two higher ranked persons (ranked in OTHER martial arts than the one he now proudly touts) agreed that he should hold that rank. Thus, we have an 8th degree individual who does not know the basics of his art. While this is not the most common of practices, it shows the lack of reverence and respect for training and study that are (or at least SHOULD be) the keystone of the martial arts. You ask what basics....although I have discussed a number in detail I admit it may have been on another list. One is stance. Most martial artists have no idea that all stances are based on the commonly called "horse" stance. Aikido people, again, are more lucky in this respect because most of their techniques are practiced out of the so-called "T" stance. However, even that one is based on the horse stance. Go up to any martial arts practitioner and ask him/her to take a front stance. What you will usually see is a number of "adjustments" as they move INTO the stance. In the real world of martial arts the stance would have been worked on so long and so much that they should be able to get into a perfectly tuned stance in a single move. But since this IS an Aikido group, next time you are in class watch the higher ranking people train and "see" through their hakamas how they move from stance to stance as they practice. You will probably be very surprised. As I said to Koichi Tohei one time "the hakama can hide many "sins." When someone translated the term he smiled broadly and nodded. b I trust we will meet one day....are you attending the open house next week at Edwards Air Force Base? You can develop many techniques and adjuncts to techniques watching the way those jets maneuver. ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:37:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #652 Hey wait a minute - won't those cool aikido skirts get in the way when the poor leathernecks are trying to storm beaches and so forth? - --- begin quoted message --- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:42:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Marine martial arts Not sure if you noticed or not, but in the Monday (9 October) issue of the Wall Street Journal there was a piece about the 'new' martial art the US Marines are learning. It is taught by an Aikido 5th Dan and psychologist that also runs a dojo 'for enlightenment seekers in Marin county, California'. Lord save us... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com - --- end quoted message --- - ---===--- Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Melody Cookson Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:53:59 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: HMD seminars If you're in the Atlanta, GA area: Dr. He-Young Kimm, founder of Han Mu Do, will be conducting seminars this weekend. Han Tai Chi will be held Fri. Oct. 13th from 7 - 10 PM at East Coast TKD Academy in Alpharetta. A comprehensive Han Mu Do seminar will be held from 9 AM - 4:30 PM at the Chamblee-Dunwoody Methodist Church. Please call (770) 752-0608 for reservations or information. Melody Cookson Director, East Coast TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 7:10:31 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #654 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.