From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #658 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 12 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 658 In this issue: the_dojang: Request for "karate music." the_dojang: Aikido and Supplements the_dojang: 'b' and BASICS the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won School/Info Required the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 the_dojang: Re: Wrong List Apology ... and question the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Debbie Eidelman" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:31:00 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Request for "karate music." Hello all! I'm mostly a lurker who really enjoys reading this list. I'm testing for my brown belt in Songahm Taekwondo next week. I'm doing a slide show with music for our annual picture slide show, and I need music recommendations (7-8, as many as you can). I've already got Mariah Carey's Hero and Rocky's Theme and Eye of the Tiger (I like to change moods). I need some more high-energy music, lots of it. Popular songs that everybody seems to know ala Eye of the Tiger preferred! I'd really appreciate any help. Taekwon, Debbie :) ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:31:54 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Aikido and Supplements Although some have already mentioned this, I wanted to add some notes on the criticism of Aikido being taught to the military. If you do not have significant experience with the art and its background beyond some preconceived notions on its philosophical side or popular techniques, your comments serve to discourage mutual respect and appreciation. Aikido has many branches, some very "soft" and oriented on the founder's spiritual teachings and others very close to the Daito-ryu foundation style. Daito-ryu is by the way the root of Hapkido and is very effective, incorporating a wide variety of techniques going back several hundred documented years. During these years it was studied and adopted by men who fought and died for a living and it was proven as a method. It is also had the benefit of being adapted to people who fought in Japanese armor. If you see what it takes to put on and get around in armor like this, you begin to see the way techniques would have to be adapted. In the modern military, personal armor, uniforms, equipment, etc. present a somewhat similar problem for combatives. While I dislike the flavor of the month attitude the senior commanders have in selecting curricula, in this case they have at least selected a method that is descended from a realistic, combat soldier oriented style. The military mission is also changing to more urban environments, "peacekeeping" roles and "limited" conflict. These requirements demand more than simple combatives both technically and, I think, more importantly mentally in combat awareness development. As a student of Hapkido, Aikido, Tae Kwon Do, Gung Fu, Karate, and Tang Soo Do along with my own military combatives training, I would want our sons to get whatever training that enables them to win in the conditions they will probably meet in combat, whether in a jungle or in an urban environment. I would like to see our military look at bayonet arts that have been developed in Japan and their police combatives which are very comprehensive. However, when it gets down to it, soldiers will probably never get very good combatives training. That's not what their colonels and generals get paid or motivated to do. On the supplement issue, the personal opinions are great but not meaningful. If anyone has a particular problem, they are better served by going to a trainer or one of the web sites which has scientific evaluation of supplements and herbals. While I have found moderate relief for a rotator cuff inflammation while taking glucosamine, I did so after research(it doesn't work for most people - its more injury specific than advertised) and in conjunction with a rigorous regimen of joint stretching and strengthening of my posterior deltoid. This gave more space in the joint capsule for blood flow and thereby healing and also gave support to the cuff in its function to decelerate the arm in forward movement. I also took ibuprofen before workouts to prophalactically reduce inflammation. So how much has the supplement helped? Maybe some, but it always pays to see professionals who know when it comes to joints. For those that are interested, the International Sports Sciences Association, www.issaonline.com, has a martial arts conditioning curriculum as well as other very good programs on sports training and nutrition. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: 'b' and BASICS I'm going to address this to everyone since 'b' hasn't responded to me lately... I've wondered if 'b' is playing devil's advocate and just throwing stuff out to get people to think and stimulate discussion. Everything he's said is in a critical negative way. IE, not a suggestion like 'always work on your basics, that's the foundation of any advanced stuff', but something like 'Once again, we have an example of an art not being taught correctly.... or being taught by someone who never learned him/herself how to practice this art.' This is an attack, which of course is going to generate a response. As far as 'all stances are based on the horse stance', on the face of it this is nonsense. Strong side to side, weak front to back. Front stance, back stance, fighting stance, cat stance are vastly different. On a deeper level, we are bipeds and every stance will have weight divided between two feet, all have 2 triangle points where the stance is weak. (Draw a line between the feet; imagine an isosoles triangle on either side of the line; push or pull towards the point not on the line.) Horse stance is the easiest way to see the concept. *Maybe* that's what 'b' was getting to. The thing is, he's not following up and explaining himself in any meaningful way. There was no response to my post on the outward wrist twist technique done full speed where the thrown person must do an ADVANCED fall or risk a break, so just knowing the BASICs isn't enough for 'NO DANGER'. There was no response on 'incorrect' attacks. There was no response on the question of background. Not that it's important - even 30 years experience could be the same year repeated 30 times... But 'b's references always seem to be to Aikido, judo, jujutsu, etc. This is a KOREAN martial arts list. He seems to assume that everyone knows what the BASICS are. Some basics carry over between all martial arts -- ie balance, how to form a fist, stance, how to deliver power -- but some do not. IE, falls are a basic in Hapkido, but not in TKD. How to grip a stick properly is a basic in Filipino martial arts, how far down the stick from the end to grip differs from art to art. IMO the basics are what an art teaches in the first level or two of training, and THAT VARIES BETWEEN ARTS. So which art and which basics is he talking about? David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:25:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 Dear Gordon et al: Apparently there are a great many who find Mr. Seagals' interpretation of Aikido attractive. And then, I suppose there are also people find Mr. Van Dammes' style of MA as attractive as well. For my part I don't remember seeing Gene LaBell on the silver screen in any role that singled him out to me. I know his reputation around Hollywood is as one of the premier fight consultants and consummate choreographers. I mention this because he has also a solid reputation as an individual who has consistently put the safety and well-being of his charges on top, and has regularly gone out of his way to help anyone regarding training and MA. Now, as a Hapkido instructor I don't need any help slamming people around, but my hope is that individuals who meet me would feel better disposed to comparing me to Mr. LaBell than mr Seagal (or Mr VanDamme). At least that's what I am shooting for. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:39:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 In a message dated 10/12/00 9:16:32 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << As far as knowing what points to hit and how the body will react to a given strike.....that coincidently puts your attacker in position for the next technique in the form, well thats were the re-discovering part come in. >> The SCARS videos go into great depth on body reactions to strikes. I highly recommend them. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:00:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 In a message dated 10/12/00 10:16:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << After declassification - he wrote a book "In Search of the Warrior Spirit" which was about his experiences "Teaching Awareness Disciplines to the Green Berets". >> Ive read this book, it's a good story! Semper fi! Jack ------------------------------ From: "Richard Goater" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:03:33 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won School/Info Required Hi I was wondering if anyone knows of a Kuk Sool Won school in the midlands area of England, or if anyone knows of a Mr John Gravenall, who - according to the WKSA web site - teaches here? I sent an E-Mail over a week ago to the site for further info, but have had no reply as yet. Any coments on the style would also be appreciated. Thanks. Richard. ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:03:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #657 In a message dated 10/12/00 10:16:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Can you imagine Marines learning to avoid conflict & injure attackers as little as possible? What's wrong with this picture? >> Chesty Puller must be turning in his grave! Unless they mistook the phrase "kill with kindness...." Still Id rather learn aikido for wartime than Brazilian jujitsu.... Jack ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:53:10 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Wrong List Apology ... and question At 07:22 PM 10/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: >You would see NO fidgeting, fussing or moving around. What you WOULD see, >from the lowliest white belt, to the highest ranked person in the room, would >be a smooth, crisp, balanced movement into a forward stance. I guess that >means >that we are in "the real world" of martial arts. Sure does...and I am embarrassed that this went to the wrong list....... But since it did...when your school takes a front stance, where is their back foot facing? b (apologies for pushing the wrong button, as this WAS meant for the Aikido list) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:31:33 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #658 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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