From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #661 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 13 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 661 In this issue: the_dojang: Zen the_dojang: Request for "karate music." the_dojang: RE: Freedom of Expression the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #660 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #658 the_dojang: Re: Martial Arts training in the Air Force=cush jobs the_dojang: Aikido in Military the_dojang: RE:Demo Music the_dojang: Re: Music the_dojang: Re: Songahm Taekwondo the_dojang: Aikido/KravMaga/Police stuff the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #659 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Zen <> I love this quote, and it is so true, how many times have you found your students practicing a technique by just going through the motions? You can look on their face and tell that part of them is somewhere else. When I see this I give them a nice pressure point strike to the chest, or neck,, not hard enough to hurt them but just enough to let them appreciate the "now". The whole essence of Zen and concentration is to be "here" 100%. It is pretty dang hard to do, but is the only way to become much better. Michael Tomllinson ------------------------------ From: Daniel Monjar Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:28:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Request for "karate music." On 10/12 17:31 -0400, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > > > From: "Debbie Eidelman" > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:31:00 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Request for "karate music." > > Hello all! I'm mostly a lurker who really enjoys reading this list. I'm > testing for my brown belt in Songahm > Taekwondo next week. I'm doing a slide show with music for our annual > picture slide show, and I need music > recommendations (7-8, as many as you can). I've already got Mariah Carey's > Hero and Rocky's Theme and > Eye of the Tiger (I like to change moods). I need some more high-energy > music, lots of it. Popular songs that > everybody seems to know ala Eye of the Tiger preferred! I'd really > appreciate any help. > > Taekwon, > Debbie :) On the Mission Impossible II soundtrack there is a song by the "Butthole Surfers". I don't know the name but it is on track 4 of the CD. It is a perfect background for a Bo Kata. I'm planning to use it for my Blackbelt test in about, oh, three years. - -- Daniel Monjar (mailto:dmonjar@orgtek.com) "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup." ------------------------------ From: "Carl W" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:39:03 MDT Subject: the_dojang: RE: Freedom of Expression >From: Ken McDonough >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Writings of Professor B; Mr. Pieratt >Response: Please do not take this personally. However, I think it is >important that you permit an individual to articulate his position. If >you permit yourself to censor opinions which are not vulgar you run the >risk of narrow results... >... I support the >expression of divergent views. Think about it objectively. Professor B >has got many of you to react and write about your feelings. This is what >this forum is all about. >McD... You've hit the nail on the head (again) Thank you Mr McDonough! Carl W. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:00:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #660 In a message dated 10/13/00 2:14:42 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << the "Greasers" who had the fast cars and took out the fast girls. >> I graduated from Fair Lawn High school just a few minutes away. Wearing a leather jacket was making a statement. A mix of memories from those days of proms and football games and friends going off to Viet Nam. Lorr ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:13:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #658 William Upton-Knittle Queried: Re: Wrong List Apology ... and question > >At 07:22 PM 10/11/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>You would see NO fidgeting, fussing or moving around. What you WOULD see, >>from the lowliest white belt, to the highest ranked person in the room, would >>be a smooth, crisp, balanced movement into a forward stance. I guess that >>means >>that we are in "the real world" of martial arts. > >Sure does...and I am embarrassed that this went to the wrong list....... >But since it did...when your school takes a front stance, where is their >back foot facing? > >b response: We are taught to face the back foot in the same direction as the front foot when taking a front stance. With the feet about a shoulder width and 1/2 apart, back straight, front knee bent, stance deep enough that you cannot see your front foot (the knee should be obstructing your view), weight about evenly distributed (but slightly favoring the front leg), rear leg almost straight(but not locked), eyes looking level and forward. This is the way I have been taught the forward stance. I would be interested to know if there are other variations. I hope and pray that I have been learning it correctly, and that I have put this in writing correctly. Dave Weller Student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Martial Arts training in the Air Force=cush jobs SSgt G. Smith noted: Response: For those who are unaware, in the Air Force we call SSgt Smith's current duty assignment a "Cush Job". I mean really, defending against tall blonde voluptuous peoples ? With Amsterdam down the street ? I wish I had the security position for that job. Seriously, could you expound on the Krav Maga training video series ? Re: name, source, price ? I think I mentioned this before, there is a good source right in Amsterdam, re: Rob Kamen. He was the Muay Thai European Kickboxing Champion. He has an excellent video series at Panther videos. Good bang for the buck. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: dlwilson@flash.net Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:03:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Aikido in Military I think some tend to focus on the specific technique (pro vs con) concerning military martial arts training. Taking this approach one "Can't see the forest for the trees". Aikido has much more to offer our troops than just combat techniques - much much more. I would submit that the "Program" being offered to the Marines will have as much mental training as physical training - just like boot camp did. I have never studied the physical aspects of Aikido but my understanding is that it is more than techniques - it's a way of viewing your part in conflict which leads to a more harmonious outlook on life. This is certainly a skill that has it's place in peace time or war. I base this on my perception of the people running the course - Heckler: Aikido Master, Athlete, PSYCHOLOGIST and former Marine who did a pilot program for the Green Berets in the 80's. I've also had 7 years active duty in the USMC. Dave... P.S. Heckler also wrote a book called "The Anatomy of Change" which is a good read too. ------------------------------ From: Tom Marker Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:10:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Demo Music Please, I beg you in the name of all things holy, don't use the Mortal Combat soundtrack or the ESPN Jock Jams CD:) I would personally avoid anything that is dialog heavy, since you never know if the sound system will be good or not, or if the acoustics in the room will be good. Don't rely on musical cues, since they may not come:) Almost any music can work. If your demo has a theme, it's easy to pick appropriate music. The Matrix soundtrack works nice, especially "Spybreak" by the Propellerheads. You'll recognize this as the music from the shoot-em-up scene from said movie. It will probably be overused in another six months, just like the "Mission Impossible" theme. The "Gladiator" soundtrack has some GREAT music on it, as does "Dances With Wolves" and "Princess Mononoke." Tang Soo! Tom ------------------------------ From: "Brad Bezoni" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:37:25 +0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Music >From: BK4Leg@aol.com >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:18:17 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Request for "karate music" > >coming out of lurk mode - > >Recognize that even for high energy music, there are different types of high >energy; light vs. heavy, for one. I tried to pick out some that might make >you want to smash bricks . > >Rock & Blues : >- ------------------ >- - Santana - Jingo; Soul Sacrifice (and there's other latin music that just >sizzles with energy) >- - George Thorogood - Bad to the Bone; Who do you Love (also done by others). > [The "Bo Diddly" riff on the latter can also be found in many other songs ] >- - Rolling Stones - Get off my Cloud >Wilson Pickett - Mustang Sally (feel it snapping and popping) >John Cougar Mellancamp - Hurts so Good > >Country >- --------- >Travis Tritt - TROUBLE > [but there's *got* to be lots more in this genre] > >Classical >- ------------ >You might find collections of several, often called names like "Power >classics" or " Extreme Classics", including pieces like : > >2001 theme (R. Strauss - Thus Spake Zarathustra) >Wagner - Ride of the Valkyries >Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture - esp the Finale, with those bells and cannon >Rossini - William Tell overture (the Lone Ranger theme) >Beethoven - 5th Symphony (opening) >J.S. Bach - Toccata and Fugue in D minor (opening) >Dvorak - New World Symphony (opening) >Grieg - Piano concerto in A minor (opening) > >If nothing else, this should trigger other people's ideas and opinions for >lots more > >Bernie >out of training many years, but still in my spirit a student of Dr. Jung Hwan >Park, going all the way back to the original place in Flushing NY > Bernie - You're right, it did trigger a bunch of other music. First, in Country, there is always "Fever" by Garth Brooks - a remake of the Aerosmith song, with a country twist (personally I think it has a lot more energy) Also, Chris LeDeoux (sp?) has a song called "Hooked on an 8 second ride" - - short song, but very good for high energy. Dance/Techno: "Block Rockin Beats" by the Chemical Brothers - I can't hear 3 beats of that song without wanting to spar or break something "Come Baby Come" by K7 - good song, but you may want to think twice as the lyrics may be questionable to some "Pump Up The Volume" by MARRS - Oldie but a goodie "Rockit" by Herbie Hancock - Nice, smooth, but somehow there is a lot of energy in there "Ready to Go" by Republica - this one set off the car alarm in the next garage when I put in my stereo There are also quite a few tracks on the Mortal Kombat - THE MOVIE soundtrack, but watch which ones you pick, let's just say some don't have the best words in them. If you need any more ideas, email me privately - I'm an audiophile and have put together many mix CDs for demos and such. Thanks, and Good Luck Brad Bezoni 2nd Degree Black Belt, ATA ------------------------------ From: "Brad Bezoni" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:44:22 +0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Songahm Taekwondo >------------------------------ >From: ConcordTKD@aol.com >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:28:28 EDT> Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #659 >I would like to ask a simple qustion. What is >Songham Taekwondo? >John Murphy >A-3-756 Songahm (not ham) taekwondo is the system taught by the American Taekwondo Association (ATA) and its international branches - the WTTU (World Traditional Taekwondo Union) and the STF (Songahm Taekwondo Federation). The forms were developed by Grand Master H. U. Lee (who just last week passed away - - I hope you are in a better place sir), and there are 18 forms total in the entire system. For more info check out the ATA web page at http://www.ataonline.com Brad Bezoni 2nd Degree Black Belt - ATA ------------------------------ From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:48:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Aikido/KravMaga/Police stuff I have to agree that anything learned by our forces is better than nothing...but sometimes whatever art taught is not taught well or not enough time is given to practice. There are an number of outstanding police combatives (hate the term defensive tactics....but thats a post for another list) programs out there. Krav Maga, SPEAR, SCARS, DTO, OCCS, Modern Warrior, PPCT and(TNT!) and many other alphabet soup programs. The best ones deal with threats quickly and efficiently with simple gross motor skill techniques. Those that use some of the more complex skills, like in the aikido based systems, are excellent for agencies and persons who actually take the time to practice on a regular basis. Physical skills deteriorate with the passing of time. Fine skills deteriorate even faster. KM, Spear, scars, TNT, etc do not have skills that would take forever to master or even get good at. Skills and concepts taught tend to have a high retention rate due to their simplicity, and for that reason alone seem to be best suited for use in the Law Enforcement community. I have a number of people come to me and ask to be certified instructors in my Police Combatives program. When I tell them what kind of practice and dedication is entailed, they usually do not want to do it. I have a number of current students who are instructors in one or more of the Police Combatives programs on the market. They soon realize that they are out of practice when they face myself or one of my instructors in a scenario situation. Its not that the moves they try wont work, but its that they do not know the intricacies of the technique, and it fails in application. BTW, many programs will make a person an instructor after just 3 days (24 hours) of training, and then they go forth and teach their limited knowledge to others. The best systems teach basic techniques and concepts from standing to the ground. Nothing complicated. People forget complicated things if they dont practice. Especially in security or LE, time to practice and money to pay personnel and instructors is just not available on a 3 times a week basis. Most agencies are lucky if they have even a once per year 'refresher'... so the things taught should be simple. In my system, I teach a blend of techniques from Aikido, TKD, Jujitsu and wrestling. There is no punching, high kicking, or extended time spent on the ground. Worry about public opinion is why there are many programs that dont allow strikes of any kind. The person who should be #1 is not the person watching the violent encounter, but the officer involved in neutralizing the meth tweaking dirtbag who follows no rules of engagement. Having public safety officers learn nice politcally correct, camcorder friendly tactics only serves to endanger the officer using them because of the time needed to get proficient. If people learning the aiki based systems have time to practice, and practice correctly, the aiki arts are outstanding for the security/LE field. If they dont have the time to practice, they need concepts that work under the violent dynamics and stress of hand to hand combat. Now if I can just find my Hakama and some nice mats...it is time to practice. Train hard, train right, Mark Gajdostik Threat Neutralization Training-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: Jerry Lynde Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:14:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #659 At 07:03 PM 10/12/2000, Mark Gajdostik wrote: >From: TNTcombatives@aol.com >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:32:10 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: 'karate music' > >You should put some of your computer game CD's in your regular CD player. >Many of the games have the background music that you hear during the >game....I have used one of the tracks on Rainbow 6 for one of my musical >forms...worked great. >Mark Gajdostik >TNT-Police >Combatives which reminds me.. Quake 2 has a bunch of Nine Inch Nails instrumental stuff that was designed to kill by... seriously good stuff without explicit lyrics (or any, for that matter) Start at track 2 (track 1 is the game data) and let it roll... the songs are short, so you'll want to use a few of 'em. It's actually worth buying the game just for the music. Jer ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:39:21 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #661 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.