From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #668 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 16 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 668 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 the_dojang: RE: Collapsing during workouts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 Reply to Collapse during workouts the_dojang: Ji and Lee the_dojang: re: collapsing during workouts the_dojang: Re: karate music the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 (collapsing) the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:32:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 In a message dated 10/16/00 4:25:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Collapsing during workouts >> My 2 cents worth. Did you have an echo stress, the test that is done with the treadmill and ultrasound? Some conditions don't show as easily without the physical stress. Good luck. Lorr ------------------------------ From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:39:40 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Collapsing during workouts Subject: the_dojang: Collapsing during workouts I have experienced this also with several glucose tolerance test coming back as normal. In working with dieticians my diet was not abnormal but in fact very good. I then took a look at my health in general and made a list of anything I could think of about my body that seems normal but might actually be abnormal. As luck would have it I found out I might actually be suffering from Lupus. I would suggest you do the same and then continue to bug your doctors until you get a definitive answer. Even if it means purchasing a glucometer such that you can take a glucose reading right when an episode of fatigue hits. Reason being that if you wait until 5-10 minutes later your glucose can restablize itself. Don't worry too much about the problem just get a definite answer, and never settle for I don't know. Michelle Ates Michelle.Ates@uc.edu ------------------------------ From: DWall1008@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:48:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 Reply to Collapse during workouts Directed to Libby, pertaining to collasping during workouts.I too always had this problem, went to various doctors and got various tests (all negative or non-determinate). It is a combination of breathing heavy (after the first couple of rounds with a mouth piece you are breathing different even if you do not realize it), low sugar and an influx of elivated cardio stress. Guess what, no know cure. Consider these suggestions to allievate and adjust (it will take some time and effort). *Use a different mouth piece, the double one with the breathing hole in the middle if you can stand it. *Doing breathing excercises, (contact Master Whalen at: hkdhw@aol.com for specifics.) Do you notice that even when you are not working out that you are what my doctor calls a "mouth breather"? I never noticed this myself until he called it to my attention. Sit and do some paperwork, or type on your computer, do you notice that you do this with your mouth slightly ajar and take more that 50% of your next breathe thru your mouth and not as much as thru your nose? Are you breathing thru your upper body cavity instead of letting your lower stomach expand and contracting with your lower stomach? Observe how a baby breathes and you will notice the difference. As soon as you close your mouth (to keep the teeth and mouth together to keep in your mouth piece, your breathing changes). With all the jumping around, you will get a bit less oxygen and your ears may get warm. This will be the first sign. Try inhaling thru your nose 1-2-3 and exhaling thru your mouth. *Change the fluids that you drink during the workout. I used a watered down orange juice with two tablespoons of sugar. Drink a bit before your work out and sip during the work out. As you said none of us are doctors (I am a 39 year old mortgage underwriter, studying for six years and competed on the national tournament circuit). But I find a few concentrated adjustments could help you out. Good Luck and keep moving! ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:00:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Ji and Lee Perhaps Rick Nabors could elaborate on the connection between Doju Nim Ji Han Jae, and Bruce Lee, I have listened to Doju Nim Ji talk about his friendship with Bruce Lee and how he worked on the movie Game of Death with Bruce, but I know Rick has talked with and been around Doju Nim Ji more than anyone else that I know of and he might be able to tell us some of the details involved in this friendship. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:58:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: collapsing during workouts Libby, I don't have any great advice as I am battling a similar problem, too, and have been for over 7 years of TKD training. Do you actually pass out, or just "lose your legs"? I lose the ability to lift my legs and sometimes experience great shortness of breath when doing heavy nonstop sparring. I do not experience these symptoms all the time, only sometimes, but I never know when this is going to happen until I start sparring. Like you, I don't seem to have medical problems that cause this and sometimes worry that maybe I am setting myself up mentally to fall apart. (i.e. go into some sort of panic mode because I am afraid it is going to happen). We have a small school and I have trained with the same sparring partners for years so I am not afraid of what my opponents are doing when this happens. One thing I have noticed that relates to this is that I have problems controlling my body temp and overheat easily, especially when I have all my gear on. Maybe you can look at your environment and try to keep yourself from overheating (something I have not figured out how to do yet!). As far as the mental aspect goes, I have been practicing breathing meditation for 5 years and it helps alot with other activities (like forms practice) but I have not yet been able to successfully apply the relaxation techniques successfully when I spar. This I have discussed with my instructor and I am continuing to work on it. I believe when I am able to exert the kind of control over my body I have when quietly meditating and carry it into the sparring ring I will resolve this problem once and for all. Good luck and let me know if you find a technique that works for you. Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:17:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: karate music Good choices! I would also recommend "Glory of Love" from The Karate Kid. ~Daniel >Hello all! I'm mostly a lurker who really enjoys reading this list. I'm >testing for my brown belt in Songahm >Taekwondo next week. I'm doing a slide show with music for our annual >picture slide show, and I need music >recommendations (7-8, as many as you can). I've already got Mariah Carey's >Hero and Rocky's Theme and >Eye of the Tiger (I like to change moods). I need some more high-energy >music, lots of it. Popular songs that >everybody seems to know ala Eye of the Tiger preferred! I'd really >appreciate any help. > >Taekwon, >Debbie :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Kim Helen Jones Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:22:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #667 (collapsing) > From: "Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:42:37 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Collapsing during workouts > > Hello all! I know that the most of us are not physicians, but I thought > I'd ask my question here anyway, as I'm getting very frustrated trying to > find an answer. > > For the last year, approximately, I have been collapsing during heavy > workouts. It usually happens during sparring classes after I've sparred a > few rounds, but it's happened during other kinds of classes as well. My > legs just seem to give out under me. Usually a dose of gatorade or some > other sugar revives me, and I'm back to sparring in 10 or 15 > minutes. However, it concerns me that this is happening in the first > place! > > I'm really in pretty good physical shape. I train TKD 3 or 4 times a week, > do cardio workouts at least 3 times a week, and lift weights 3 times a > week, too. All of this is supervised by a personal trainer. I find the > same kind of thing happens after a tough cardio workout, too. I think I'm > just experiencing a sugar low but I'm not positive. > > I've seen lots of doctors and had lots of tests, all of which have come > back "normal" or "negative". I was very frustrated when my glucose > tolerance test last week came back normal. That shows I'm not hypoglycemic > as I suspected. They've checked me for heart conditions and all sorts of > things... I'm now working with a dietician to see what I can improve in my > diet. > > This is all very frustrating for me. I just want to be able to work out > like everyone else! Is there anyone out there with similar experiences? Or > anyone who can offer any advice? > > Thanks, > Libby Wiebel Libby~ It does sound like a low blood sugar level problem. You could be perfectly healthy, working out great, but if you odn't keep your blood sugar levels up or replenish them after heavy workouts, you will experience more fainting experiences. You odn't have to be hypoglycemic or diabetic for this to happen, either. I'm neither hypoglycemic or diabetic, but if I don't eat little things to boost it from time to time (hence the mantra about eating smaller, more frequent meals throughout the day)--I fold like a card house knocked over. Since it sounds like you're in the gym A LOT, you especially need to maintain hydration levels (could be a culprit, but doesn't sound like it at all) and keep electrolytes up...and blood sugar. Hopefully the dietician can tell you more about snacking throughout the day to replenish the blood sugar, but when you hit a rut, a piece of fruit or granola bar should boost it back up a little. (My roommate is diabetic, and she talks to me about it from time to time.) Be sure you don't overshoot. Referring back to my roommate, she works out to keep in shape and to regulate her sugar levels. She's found that sometimes she does everything right with her insulin and gauging how much and what she can eat, she'll still have a higher level than normal (and thus need to take caution while working out because high blood sugar is just as bad as low). It's just a matter of listening to your body. I don't know how much more to tell you except to snack more... =) That helped me (because during high school I couldn't snack all the time and would sometimes collapse during TKD in the evenings). - -- Kim Jones *joneskh@purdue.edu* Purdue University, Freshman Engineering http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~joneskh ICQ: 52828008 AIM: Adidas Chocobo ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:18:54 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #668 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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