From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #674 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 18 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 674 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #672 the_dojang: 'b', here we go again the_dojang: Combat Hapkido the_dojang: Re: Shin injuries the_dojang: Getin' Old? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Lynde Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:04:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #672 At 09:17 PM 10/17/2000, Udell reminisced: >Comparatively speaking, I have pretty powerfull legs, and when I was >attempting the swing kick, I was using %110 of my strength...not to injure >him, but to let it be known that I didn't intend on loosing! :) Pardon, but what do you mean by "swing kick"? Do you mean a crescent kick? turning hook kick? wheel kick? swoop chagi? ;o) curious, Jer ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: 'b', here we go again > >From: William Upton-Knittle >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:51:57 -0700 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Don't Jump to Weight Distribution yet.... > > >Again, you are jumping too far ahead. I'm not up to weight yet. That's the >point....I'm still at the most basic level....the one that never gets >repeated after maybe the first class or two. ... >From: William Upton-Knittle >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:02:55 -0700 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Making My Point > >At 06:18 PM 10/17/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Does that mean you won't address his points? Spending the time you're >>talking about on static stances is not done in HKD; we'd rather work on >>footwork and dynamic use of the body. > >You are absolutely correct.....and that's the sad part of most MA teaching >today. People are learning from people who learned from people who learned >from people who were not taught the basics of static stances....that's why >they can't use them to their full advantage in practice or contest. You are >now beginning to agree with my assessment of the sad slippery slope >teaching has slid down since the mid sixties. > >Today people are put in "dynamic" use of their body vs. another person >before they have even learned to correctly stand and move. Sadly we agree. > >b I agree that little to no time is spent on static stances in most arts today; I disagree with your assessment of their importance and disagree that teaching has slid down. With more schools available than ever before, more books, Usenet, the Internet, videos, etc; there is more information available and people can winnow through the crap more easily than they could in the sixties to find the good teachers. Again, 'b' refuses to respond to any of Thomas's points, David Reed's points, or my points, doesn't back up any of his pronouncements, and sticks in a slam at modern martial arts. A sophisticated troll, perhaps, but a troll. I'm getting tired of feeding him... David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Combat Hapkido >From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:14 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: hapkido > >Several weeks ago someone stated that they wished GM Pellegrini had not used >the word Hapkido in naming his style Combat Hapkido. This has lingered on my >mind since then. Would the person who made that statement please elaborate. >Gary Pieratt > >- That was me. I have no personal experience with Pellegrini or Combat Hapkido, but from his advertisements, the interview the NAPMA magazine, 2nd & 3rd hand sources that have been 'on the mat' with him, and previous digest issues; my impressions are: - - that he started as a TKD guy, trained to 1st Dan HKD under GM Wollmershauser, and went the seminar training route skipping around various HKD organizations rising in rank VERY fast. For what little it's worth, I started HKD before he did. - - that experienced HKD people who've been on the mat with him have not been impressed. - - that the Combat HKD curriculum throws away much of the HKD training, essentially making it a collection of some practical self-defense techniques rather than the martial *art* it is. - - that the way he markets it is to existing black belts in other styles to come to a few seminars and get HKD rank. All of which raises questions. Many people have studied several arts to Dan degrees, merged this & that, changed some things, come up with a name, appointed themselves founders and 10th Dan and been successful. Well, maybe not 'many' people, but some. Which is fine, he can do his thing; but using HKD in the name means that what he does reflects on the overall reputation of HKD. And there's already too much of HKD being thrown under a TKD banner and being seen as just the joint locks or an adjunct to another martial art. It is a complete martial art and should be learned and taught that way. I have no evidence to make a judgement on Pelligrini's HKD skills or knowledge, but it's my *opinion* that he's doing the art a disservice in what he's doing with Combat Hapkido. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: WojoSG@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:24:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Shin injuries Mr. Udell Holmes II wrote: << Has anyone ever experienced an injury like this, and is my slow recovery "normal", and should I be worried about long term effects?!?! >> Well, I had a similar injury a few years ago. I was sparring with shin pads, but one got spun around and then we clashed, his knee to my lower leg, just outboard of the shin bone, about six inches below the knee. This swelled up immediately becoming a fairly large hematoma. I had to have it drained and wear an elastic stocking for two months. Lots of ice and elevation. It was really gross because I could feel a chunk of blood clot floating around in there. It was very sensitive for several months but eventually cleared up. No trace of it anymore. Good luck with yours, sir. Stan Wojcoski ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:52:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Getin' Old? Every so often, my lower back gets real sore and stiff, as if I strained it, sometimes severely. I think I've noticed a trend. Seems like every time I begin to really work at stretching, soon afterwards my back goes out. It's really a bummer when it happens prior to a major event, like traveling to Tampa FL. for a Tang Soo Do tournament or to work out with the Grandmaster, during a Tang Soo Do training camp in New Braunfuls TX, or a weekend Hapkido seminar in Jackson MS. When you spend bucks, take off work and have a lot invested in special training events, you sure don't want to be doing it injured (or at least hindered by injury). My lower back began hurting again this week. I've been trying to take it easy so as not to aggravate it, because I have a great Hapkido seminar to attend this weekend (SHAMELESS PLUG: Master JR West's Hapkido seminar at the Iron Dragon Dojang in Seabrook TX, as well as workout with Master Jere Hilland at the Hapki Dojang South in Northwest Houston). I had begun to stretch a little more often recently, knowing I wanted to be ready for the seminars, and then Monday my back started giving me problems. Am I just gettin' old? I tend not to work a whole lot on stretching, because eventually my lower back snaps! I seem OK if I just try to stretch my legs, but when I bend over to touch my toes or sitting with my feet together (butterfly's) and it stretches my lower back, I start having problems. I guess I can get guy shy, because a few times all I could do was to lay flat on my back and take muscle relaxers and ibuprofen. I know what you're thinkin', if it hurts when you do that, "don't do it!". But being involved in an art like Tang Soo Do, we do lots of kicks and I feel I should stretch more so I don't hurt something. Only problem is, I hurt something when I stretch. I'm not doing anything that would hurt me either, I must just have lower back problems. Guess it's time to get more into that Hapkido stuff..... :-) Love that pain! Mac (the old man pumped up on ibuprofen) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:45:19 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #674 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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