From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #675 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 19 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 675 In this issue: the_dojang: combat Hapkido the_dojang: Re: Getin' Old? the_dojang: getting old the_dojang: Combat Hapkido the_dojang: flexibility... the_dojang: Re: Class Scheduling the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido the_dojang: "b" and the basics the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:45:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: combat Hapkido In a message dated 10/18/00 10:24:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << That was me. I have no personal experience with Pellegrini or Combat Hapkido, but from his advertisements, the interview the NAPMA magazine, 2nd & 3rd hand sources that have been 'on the mat' with him, and previous digest issues; my impressions are: - - that he started as a TKD guy, trained to 1st Dan HKD under GM Wollmershauser, and went the seminar training route skipping around various HKD organizations rising in rank VERY fast. For what little it's worth, I started HKD before he did. - - that experienced HKD people who've been on the mat with him have not been impressed. - - that the Combat HKD curriculum throws away much of the HKD training, essentially making it a collection of some practical self-defense techniques rather than the martial *art* it is. - - that the way he markets it is to existing black belts in other styles to come to a few seminars and get HKD rank. >> Any of the Senior Dan ranks care to comment on thius guy any experiences with him or his attitude? jack ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:47:52 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Getin' Old? On October 18th, Mac bemoaned fate and the accumulated advent of years upon his aging back >Am I just gettin' old? ... I know what you're thinkin', if it hurts when >you do that, "don't do it!"....Only problem is, I >hurt something when I stretch. I'm not doing anything that would hurt me >either, I must just have lower back problems. Guess it's time to get more >into that Hapkido stuff..... :-) Love that pain! > Hi Mac. First of all, your not getting old! I SAID, "YOUR NOT GETTING OLD!" I do find that "long time" [versus old!] instructors do tend to not stretch as much as they used to if they use assistants for class warm-ups or such. It seems one needs to stretch more, not less, as one gets older. I find myself losing my stretch faster now if I don't do it often. Also, practicing breakfalls & getting torked and thrown is probably more back and neck intensive than kicking, of which Hapkido has as an analogous complement as TSD. I think you are just practicing your arguments to use on your wife so you can buy that hot-tub you've been eyeing!! Dana _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:36:26 GMT Subject: the_dojang: getting old Hey Mac, You are getting older but that doesn't mean that you have to accept the back problem. As you know I'm a fair bit older than you and I am still fairly flexable. I'll be at the Seabrook seminar this weekend, maybe I can help you with the back. See ya there. Rich _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:07:27 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Combat Hapkido I would like to nominate Mr. David Beck for the Dojang Digest Pulitzer award for the outstanding writing he did on his last post concerning Mr. Pelligrini. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:59:40 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: flexibility... Here's yet another question about flexibility. I've been training in tkd for just over a year now. That combined with gym workouts mean I do a full warmed-up stretching session around 5 times a week. However, my flexibility has only improved a tiny amount. I hold each stretch for the requisite 15-20 seconds. I also practice breathing out while holding the stretch, relaxing the muscle and pushing the stretch that extra bit like in yoga. But so far, no real results. Am I doing something wrong? I have been following the guidelines in a book on stretching I bought by a guy called Bob Anderson. He recommends gentle stretches holding the stretch for a reasonably long time (20 second min). Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:39:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Class Scheduling The adult students in our TKD school are having difficulty adjusting their schedules. "if you want to train, you will make the time" does not seem to be working. Any suggestions? The present adult schedule: 45 minute classes were expanded to 60 minutes plus 8pm Monday, Wednesday (sparring after class for higher belts) 7:30pm Thursday, Friday Tuesday pm class was cancelled Saturday class cancelled Tuesday, Thursday morning classes cancelled Our Master is the owner and instructor. Some require a later class because of their profession, others have the responsibility of getting young children to complete homework and get to bed early for school. There are Junior classes monday-thursday at 7:15. Last year the juniors were combined with the adults. This year there is less floor space due to the move. Tae Kwon, Lorr ------------------------------ From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:48:50 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido In a message dated 10/18/00 9:23:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << rom: David Beck Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:51:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Combat Hapkido >From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:14 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: hapkido > >Several weeks ago someone stated that they wished GM Pellegrini had not used >the word Hapkido in naming his style Combat Hapkido. This has lingered on my >mind since then. Would the person who made that statement please elaborate. >Gary Pieratt > >- That was me. I have no personal experience with Pellegrini or Combat Hapkido, but from his advertisements, the interview the NAPMA magazine, 2nd & 3rd hand sources that have been 'on the mat' with him, and previous digest issues; my impressions are: - - that he started as a TKD guy, trained to 1st Dan HKD under GM Wollmershauser, and went the seminar training route skipping around various HKD organizations rising in rank VERY fast. For what little it's worth, I started HKD before he did. - - that experienced HKD people who've been on the mat with him have not been impressed. - - that the Combat HKD curriculum throws away much of the HKD training, essentially making it a collection of some practical self-defense techniques rather than the martial *art* it is. - - that the way he markets it is to existing black belts in other styles to come to a few seminars and get HKD rank. All of which raises questions. Many people have studied several arts to Dan degrees, merged this & that, changed some things, come up with a name, appointed themselves founders and 10th Dan and been successful. Well, maybe not 'many' people, but some. Which is fine, he can do his thing; but using HKD in the name means that what he does reflects on the overall reputation of HKD. And there's already too much of HKD being thrown under a TKD banner and being seen as just the joint locks or an adjunct to another martial art. It is a complete martial art and should be learned and taught that way. I have no evidence to make a judgement on Pelligrini's HKD skills or knowledge, but it's my *opinion* that he's doing the art a disservice in what he's doing with Combat Hapkido. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** >> Its funny when the people who seem to have the strongest opinions about things start the first sentence with: "I have no personal experience with Pellegrini or Combat Hapkido" I have studied "traditional Hapkido" for several years with 2 different Korean 8th dans and I have been a member of the ICHF for 5 yrs. Im not about to argue with you, because your mind is made up, but I would like to suggest to people from all arts that before coming to these "conclusions" and offering opinions to others, at least get some first hand knowledge about what you are talking about. Mark Daley Combat Hapkido/Gracie Jiujitsu ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:22:17 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: "b" and the basics Hello, I asked this question on another list and got no reply, so I decided to ask it again here. "b" consistently sends opinions about other martial arts or artists, telling us that the basics are gone from martial arts, teaching quality is no longer here, and also describing his experiences with several noted persons from MA history. Professor, as I wrote before, it is your right to do so, but it`s also other people`s right to disagree. I would like to ask you this question again: is there a martial arts instructor or master, whom you really respect and admire for his skills? A person with a wealth of knowledge, strong basics etc.? Give us a good example. I for one would like to hear once something more positive that "the basics are gone", "he could be good, but...", etc. I am very curious about your point of view. - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 7:51:54 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #675 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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