From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #678 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 20 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 678 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido the_dojang: Last Stance on Stances the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #675 the_dojang: Re: On training methods,re: Alcohol cut back the_dojang: Re: Black belts, dojang groups, board breaking, instant promotion the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #677 the_dojang: Re: Mouth Breathers the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:33:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido i feel that i should put my two cents in here. a) hapkido is a combat art which needs no simplification of its techniques. if one chooses not to learn hapkido then more power to them. hapkido is a painful, and dynamic art, which uses pain compliance among other things to deter an attacker. b)combat hapkido is somewhat a misnomer. if hapkido is already a combat art, why then would it be necessary to create a "new" combat version of it? Hapkido itself is powerful enough that the blue house bodyguards use it. it has been used several times in actual combat situations... for example master west himself trained in hapkido during the vietnam war, from members of the korean military (see sir, i pay attention sometimes :) ). Combat Hapkido is fine for what is was designed for, but to say it is more effective is a bold face lie. in the same vein, there are those of you who train in barzilian ju-jutsu. bjj is a sport, nothing more. if you wish to try that theory out, lay down on the street and grapple with an armed assailant. just make sure your life insurance is current first. i realize my post is both long and strongly worded, but to take advantage of a public who knows no better is wrong and does not represent the spirit of mudo. personally, i am a first dan in hapkido certified by the khf. i have also witnessed combat hapkido from an old ichf member, who has converted to the khf. ichf material in my vho is no where near as effective an art. i realize this post may have ticked some of you off, and for that i apologize. i recommend to you combat hapkidoers, to try out traditional hapkido. there are several organizations who host hapkido seminars on a regular basis. perhaps the best that i have attended is the annual KMAIA seminar in Florida. From what i've heard, master west and mac both have good seminars... alain burresse would be another good one to ask. frank ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:44:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Last Stance on Stances Bruce Sims had written a good observation about the differences between Funakoshi Gichin Sensei's front stance which is typically Okinawan and Nakayama Masatoshi Sensei's which is more linear and deeper. This difference is easily seen if you look at the books by Funakoshi in the 20's, 40's and films I have from the 50's compared to today. The explanation I have heard from Americans who obtained their initial Dan ranking in the late 50s and early 60s was that there was an aesthetic transition as well as a desire to "Japanize" the 'primitive' Okinawan methods. As a parallel, our venerable Korean founders who obtained their forms and techniques from Okinawan and Japanese sources for the most part also have a variation. I attribute this to them training with different Sensei, some Okinawan and some Japanese. The forms listed by the old kwans also break along these lines. I would be interested in what the other old-timers have seen or heard on this topic. I also note that Tang Soo Do seems to have lengthened stances over the years while Tae Kwon Do seems to have shortened them. Is this my impression or have others seem something similar? Lastly, if you look at the old forms you notice that the length, hip orientation, and weight transfers into a front stance(or any other) vary significantly in a given form, particularly senior level forms. Do the folks on this list practice them that way today or is there a standardization push? Thanks, David ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:39:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #675 In a message dated 10/19/00 10:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I would like to nominate Mr. David Beck for the Dojang Digest Pulitzer award for the outstanding writing he did on his last post concerning Mr. Pelligrini. Michael Tomlinson >> I'll second the motion! ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: On training methods,re: Alcohol cut back Mr. Sims stated, in part: Response: Good outline on vitamins, stretching, and workout regimens. But, gotta nix the idea of limited alcohol content. My Irish Grandmother would be spinning in her grave if I told her that ! On the other hand, I stay away from beer since it is fattening. Yet, on a hot summer day when working outside what is better than a nice cold one ? When training in Irish Combat Hapkido I always insist on one crown royale with a hint of 7 up, and a nice baked potatoe. These are the basics !!! McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:59:40 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Black belts, dojang groups, board breaking, instant promotion I've got several things from the last issue to comment on. I have taken some lines out here and there; forgive me for not noting each and every deletion. Here goes... >------------------------------ >From: TNTcombatives@aol.com >Subject: the_dojang: Meaning of Blackbelt >got to listen to a group conversation between gup ranks on what it means to >be a blackbelt. The chief instructor was not involved, but had one of his >'leadership team', a 4th gup purple belt(I think) lead the discussion. He > Instructors: > How many of you have gup ranks lead discussions of which they do not >have >the rank or experience to moderate? > How many of you have your schools broken up into various leadership or >special teams? >Mark Gajdostik Mr. Gajdostik: I don't know about anyone else, but sometimes I find it interesting to hear what lower ranked students feel it means to be a black belt. I have had a few students who actually had a concept (not knew thoroghly, of course) of what kind of dedication it takes. Granted, one of them is my mother who has seen me from beginning to now and has been a part of the effort. But if someone has an idea, maybe they can share that with the rest of the group. I'm definitely not saying this happened in the school you are talking about, though. Also, depending on the time a student has been around, they may have an idea of the effort, dedication, etc. necessary to be a black belt. I have a couple students who have been studying for several years and have not made it to black belt (for reasons too long to list here). I don't think anyone could say that they don't know about dedication because they are still there for every single class. We only have one "group" distinction in our school, the "instructors". This actually includes everyone from brown belt up and there are no special uniforms, fees, etc. I agree about fragmenting the school with various groups; it should either be done VERY carefully or not at all. (Not at all is my preference.) >------------------------------ >From: bwoodard@mortonsalt.com >Subject: the_dojang: My First Board Breaking >I broke 2 boards with a side kick today on my very first board breaking >attempt!!!. It was awesome!!!! Almost like the board wasn't even there! I >just >had to tell somebody!! >Brian Woodard >TTA TKD 2nd Kub Mr. Woodard: Congratulations! That's great! I wish *everyone's* first time went that well. :) >------------------------------ >From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com >Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #675 >I have no experience with traditional hapkido, but I have trained with GMP >on >several occasions and found his ability to manipulate his opponent quite >impressive. >Gary Pieratt Mr. Pieratt: I think the issue here is not necessarily "Is GM P good at what he does?" as much as it is "Does he include what he should include to call it hapkido?". I'm not making any judgements for or against because I have NO experience with him or with combat hapkido. >------------------------------ >From: MJD99AB@aol.com >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Combat Hapkido >In a message dated 10/19/00 11:32:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > ><< At the first seminar I attended, I was talking to > Master P on the break and he told me flat out that he could promote me to >4th dan all > I had to do was send him my certification fees. >> > > >What rank are you in traditional HKD? Is it possible >that after 16 yrs of training that you actually are at 4th dan level? I >also >study Gracie Juijitsu and at higher ranks..they dont test. They just walk >up >to you on the mat and hand you a belt. As long as you deserve it....then I >dont have a problem with it. Maybe GM P watched you and felt that you >deserve >that rank. Mark Daley >Combat Hapkido/Gracie Jiujitsu Mr. Daley: I don't know about anyone else, but if I was in a position to promote someone like that, I would have to see them for quite a bit more than at one or two seminars to promote someone to such a high rank. In the GJJ schools, I am assuming (you know what you do when you assume... :) that the people being promoted are long-time members of that school. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but the original message sounded like this gentleman was offered rank too quickly in a school he didn't belong to that he felt he didn't necessarily deserve. Sorry for such a long post. Thank you for listening. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:12:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #677 In a message dated 10/19/00 9:02:55 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Drop the 3 C-s - No Cola, Coffee or Chocolate. >> Give up my coffee and coke. Are you nuts!? No way!!! but then I'm not 50 yet, only 43. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:03:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mouth Breathers I have the same problems. Ki Bop (meditation/breathing exercises) has helped tremendously; it helps you get used to breathing through your nose. During a bad allergy season, though, nose breathing is out of the question. Everyone has their obstacles to overcome, I suppose. ~Daniel >From: "stryd" >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:06:56 +0800 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mouth Breathers > > > Do you notice that even when you are not working out that you are what >my > > doctor calls a "mouth breather"? > >I do this too. According to my doctors, it's very common in people with >allergies related to the breathing cavities (sneezing/coughing type stuff) >and with people who have had asthma (even if the asthma is now gone). I'm >both. D'oh! > > > Try inhaling > > thru your nose 1-2-3 and exhaling thru your mouth. > >Is there a way of 'training' yourself to do this without thinking about it? > >I've noticed that other people, my mother for example, who breathe in >through their nose normally, also do so during their sleep, so it's >obviously not something conscious... However if I want to breathe in >through >my nose, I usually have to think about it (moving my tongue so I use my >nose, then moving it again to breathe out through my mouth)... > >Thanks for any info > >T _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:42:57 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #678 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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